Talk:Tommy Prince

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The article Tommy Prince quotes

"The black devils (Die Schwartze Teufeln) are all around ..."

In the absence of specific explanation of the capital S, i assume it is a mis-transcription: the sentence as translated would read in German

Die schwartze Teufeln sind...

with only the first word of the sentence and the nouns upper-cased. --Jerzy 06:00, 2004 Jan 13 (UTC)

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Photo[edit]

http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/ourl/res.php?url_ver=Z39.88-2004&url_tim=2010-03-04T16%3A37%3A07Z&url_ctx_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Actx&rft_dat=3191550&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fcollectionscanada.gc.ca%3Apam

No restrictions on use. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 16:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)Totally ran with it.. Thank you for posting to the commons...--Oracleofottawa (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Discrepancy[edit]

The bio and early years birthplace differ. Not sure which is correct. 142.160.213.167 (talk) 00:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.Tennisedu (talk) 07:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Post nomials[edit]

Regarding the post-nomials of MM (Military Medal) and SSM (Silver Star), it may not (although I am not sure of this) be permitted for the recipient to use the post-nomial if the honour was conferred by a foreign government. The language is not clear in the Canadian act, which does not directly address the issue of post-nomials relating to foreign medals. See: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/services/medals/cf-honours-policy-manual/chapter7.html However, it is allowable and common practice for others writing about the recipient in a biographical description to use the post-nomial as a description, regardless whether or not the honour or medal was foreign or Canadian. Thus, Tommy Prince himself would not have used SSM for his Silver Star in his signatures or correspondence, but a biographical account of him could do so. I would suggest that mention of the Silver Star be included in the introduction. Note that Canada Post, an official government office, includes mention of the Silver Star in the Tommy Prince postage stamp in his honour. Tennisedu (talk) 07:00, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. As noted in reply to a similar discussion on my talk page, it would be perfectly reasonable to include mention of the Silver Star somewhere in the body of the introduction. However, the Silver Star itself does not carry post-nominals. In fact, no US military decoration does. Post-nominals are mostly unique to the United Kingdom and a number of Commonwealth nations. So, in this case, it's not an issue of foreign post-nominals being used, but rather that the decoration in question does not confer the recipient with post-nominals. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. Actually there seems to be much misunderstanding about this issue for the U.S. decorations. The restriction seems to apply only to the recipient himself and not to anyone else, even the government uses post-nomials to describe the awards. The use of post-nomials is quite correct for U.S. awards given used in descriptions of the recipient by others. For example, in printed descriptions of the individual as a celebrity dinner speaker or guest, the program will include the post-nomials, or in biographical descriptions (NOT auto-biographical descriptions). The U.S. military will automatically include post-nomials in headstone descriptions of medal winners. See for example the headstones of Audie Murphy and other medal winners, "on the government issued headstones...for military/naval personnel it is the common practice to note major conflicts and decorations unless you tell them not to do so." Also, military discharge papers for U.S. soldiers use post-nomials to describe the record of the soldier. "...award abbreviations appear on DD 214 (discharge papers), so that is as close to post-nominal usage as can be expected." https://gmic.co.uk/topic/74987-does-us-medals-confer-post-nominals/ Tennisedu (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a point of interest, Audie Murphy and other U.S. medal recipients had post-nomials on their gravestones automatically by the U.S. military who provided the headstones. The same thing happened for Tommy Prince, as can clearly be seen here, the ""SS" denotes Silver Star. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11860394/tommy-prince This practice was in keeping with the U.S. military tradition. The Canadian military provided this gravestone for Prince with the "SS" post-nomial on the headstone, so this usage is officially authorized by the Canadian government. The representatives of the Crown attended the ceremony, so the Crown has given authorization for the SS post-nomial in the case of Prince.Tennisedu (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviations are not the same as post-nominal letters. The notations on grave markers to which you refer are abbreviations to indicate the awards received. One can tell the difference in that, unlike post-nominals, the letters do not immediately follow the individual's name. As mentioned above, no US award confers official, authorised post-nominals. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 20:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]