Talk:List of Melbourne suburbs

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This page was split from the List of localities (Victoria) page, which now deals with regional Victoria only.

"Centre" of a suburb: help with adjacency table

Where, in general, would you say the 'centre' of a Melbourne suburb was?

I am thinking, if it has a train station, then the train station could be reasonably indicated to be the centre of the place.

Otherwise it tends to take a lot of looking, which for places like Lilydale, Croydon, Montrose, Kilsyth and Ringwood (all of which I have done adjacency tables) is hard to do.

Now I am also thinking that every Melbourne suburb has a town hall: well, the majority of them do.

Without this, some of them are turning out to be arrant nonsense.

Thank you, EuropracBHIT 06:22, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC).

Not every suburb, in fact, probably the majority, do not have train stations at all, and some have more than one. And certainly not every suburb has a town hall; there are only two dozen or so in the city (LGAs have town halls). How is it nonsense to figure out which suburbs share boundaries in each direction, exactly? TPK 02:04, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

And even when they do, railway stations are not necessarily centrally located. I guess to find the centre...just look in the Melways. Heh.

I think the suburb adjacency tables are a good idea, anyway. Ambivalenthysteria 04:31, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Traditionally, the centre of a town (or suburb) is its post-office. For example road signs with the number of kilometers away a town are measured from the PO. PO are marked in Melways, so you shouldn't have too much trouble finding it. Good Luck! -- Glenn 07:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Docklands

Isn't Docklands now a Local Government Area in itself? That's certainly how it looks in the Melways. Ted BJ 06:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It certainly is. Albeit a minor one. I'm unsure as to how it would be listed, so I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable.Snippet1 00:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Docklands is not it's own LGA, or part of any LGA, but is currently administed by VicUrban, the state government's land-development body. It will revert sometime in the future to the City of Melbourne (which previously administered the bulk of the land, to my knowledge). TPK 10:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Extensive table of Melbourne suburbs added

An extensive table of Melbourne suburbs has been added at List of Melbourne suburbs/table, based on the suburbs you currently have listed. The quick primer on using it is this: Ideally everything in columns 1, 2, 5, and 6 should be blue; and everything in columns 3 and 4 should either be red, or if it is blue it should be checked to make sure that it is either a redirect page, or a disambig page that includes a link to the Melbourne suburb of the same name, or includes a "see also" link to the Melbourne suburb of that name. Hope this is useful to you! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 04:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Are these actually suburbs of Melbourne?

I refer to most of the listings in the Shire of Cardinia and Shire of Mornington. Both shires no doubt border Melbourne Greater but the actual towns (eg. Koo Wee Rup, Lang Lang, Rosebud etc) are surrounded by farmland and in my opinion don't qualify as suburbs. --Mopes 08:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Mornington Peninsula Shire towns are suburbs?

I agree, and i'd like to add that i don't believe Mornington is a suburb of Melbourne. There is a distinct rural gap between residential Mount Eliza and residential Mornington. This list is quite off the mark as far as Peninsula towns are concerned. It is absurd to say that towns such as Red Hill, Shoreham, Main Ridge, Flinders etc are suburban Melbourne. Most Peninsula towns on Westernport are rural and have town centres, Hastings being the largest. But most of the Hastings area is rural. The centre of the town of Merricks is a general store, hardly suburban. If it is distance from the centre of Melbourne which is the criteria for suburban staus then Geelong should be a Melbourne suburb, rather than Portsea which is about 25 Km farther from Melbourne.

Problem is we have to define it some way, and the one we've gone with is the Melbourne Statistical District by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, which is a verifiable source, and has also been adopted by the Local Government authority in Victoria. Personally, I do agree with you, though, having been down there quite a few times. Orderinchaos78 00:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Pakenham

The Pakenham article says "The town is named after Sir Edward Pakenham, a British general who fought in the Peninsular War." Perhaps more famously, he was the Commander of the British North American Army and died in the Battle of New Orleans (and is mentioned in the American folk song "The Battle of New Orleans"). I am a complete newbie here, perhaps someone could edit the Pakenham article to hyperlink to the biographic article? {Sorry - I just noticed that it already does...my bad}

List of suburbs

I recently came across the orphaned lists of Melbourne suburbs by letter and some of them haven't been touched in a while. Are these pages still useful?

(all now removed)

Squids'and'Chips 01:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure but I have streamlined them considerably, removing entries that weren't suburbs, cutting out now-redundant columns of redlinks (they related to an earlier stage of the project which is now complete) and merging them from 7 files down to 4. Orderinchaos 06:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Now relocated to Wikipedia:WikiProject Melbourne/Melbourne Suburbs A-J and Wikipedia:WikiProject Melbourne/Melbourne Suburbs K-Z from mainspace. Orderinchaos 14:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

postcodes/brisbane

the name of a suburb usually corresponds to the official postal district of a city

this is not strictly correct - if anything - it's the other way around. Australia Post postcodes are devised for the purposes of delivering mail and have been changed in recent years to align with suburb boundaries.

The entire metropolitan area of Brisbane is covered by a single municipal council

This is not correct - the statistical definition of Brisbane (the Brisbane Statistical Division) comprises a number of local government areas of which the City of Brisbane is one. These include Logan, Ipswich, Moreton Bay and others. While the City of Brisbane covered the metropolitan area in the 1920s when it was created, it certainly doesn't any more. Mustard Pot (talk) 09:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed re point 2 - I've removed that section as, even had it been correct, it has nothing to do with suburbs. Re point 1, a "postal district" and a postcode are quite different. For example, "Willetton" is a postal district within the postcode of 6155. It used to be, especially in the 60s and 70s, that the Postmaster General's Department, the local council(s) concerned and the Department of Lands and Surveys all had to agree on the name in order that a suburb be named. The PMG often objected to suburb names on the basis that they coincided with a name elsewhere, no matter how obscure. The name could not then be gazetted until one could be found which met with everyone's approval. Orderinchaos 09:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't realise that postal districts were different to postcodes and stand corrected on that one. I do remember the PMG having some authority in vetting proposed suburb names. The point I'm probably more interested in making is that suburbs (since the late 1990s) in Victoria have specific boundaries that are determined by the local Councils, and generally rubberstamped by the State Government Registrar of Geographic Names. These decisions are usually made independent of postcode boundaries and Australia Post, who try to ensure that their boundaries correspond with suburb boundaries. Therefore suburbs simply correspond to suburbs rather than any other boundaries. Mustard Pot (talk) 11:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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