Talk:List of vegetables

{{WikiProject Food eleted a while ago, and no one noticed. Since their former catagory is gone, I'm not sure if they belong under Leafy and salad vegetables, Fruiting and flowering vegetables, or Bulb and stem vegetables. Someone who knows should add them, though. Poolboy8 (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Pickle?

Is a pickle a vegetable, then? ~Lexie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.214.50 (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

A "pickle" is a pickled cucumber. Cucumbers are vegetables, so yes. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 19:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Avocado

Would an avocado be one of those things that is botanically a fruit but commonly thought of in the gustatory world as a veggie? --Qaz 05:48, 29 December 2002

And what about the tomato? -- Zoe 05:56, 29 December 2002

The tomato is a fruit. --Two Halves 06:00, 29 December 2002

O.k., I'll play nice. The tomato is often used the way that a vegetable is used, and I appreciate the clarification made in the article. --Two Halves 06:12, 29 December 2002

Other things on the list would have to be taken off too if we took off all the fruits as determined botanically, eggplant for instance. --Qaz 06:15, 29 December 2002

:as this is a reference index I think it would be better for things to appaer on both lists (fruits and vegetables) rather than be excluded for technicalities- I would like to see this page eventually link to thorough articles on each item in order to act as a 'portal' to an in depth growing guide that gardeners (for example) could then bookmark for reference. tomatoes, aubergines and other solanaceae would be included in most veg growing or cooking guides, wheras apples, pears, cherries clearly wouldn't quercus robur 13:03, 29 December 2002

Fruits are vegetables; the distinctions is essentially meaningless, and usually only amounts, in everyday English, to "this is a 'fruit' because it's sweet, or sweet-sour", and nothing else. Various things we classify as "vegatables" for culinary purposes are fruits, such as peppers as well as the aforementioend. They should be covered here, but note that they're technically fruits.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  12:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Chinese vegetables

Hey, where are all the Chinese vegetables that my elders cook? (And there are tons of them.) Unfortunately, I am more American than Chinese and I can not list any of them... But there must be some real Chinese cooks out there. -- User:Steveyeh:Steveyeh 22:54, 16 November 2003

Actually fruits?

What's with all this "actually fruits, but treated as vegetables" business? All fruits are vegetables! PRB 13:54, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

No, all vegetable are not fruits [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit[/url] given the definition of fruit. Unless it is not part of the ovary that you are eating, in which case the term vegetable applies to all other edible parts of the plant but is not a scientific definition, merely a traditional one for ease of conversation/culinary classification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.64.166 (talk) 18:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Cut items

Pasted below are the following three items which were cut out from the bottom of the list - they were placed there out of alphabetic order;

• DrumStick(available in Kathikaamam, Tamil Eelam.)
• Ladies Finger (Available in Vanni, Tamil Eelam.)
• Brinjal (Available India, Tamil Eelam, Sri Lanka, Pakistan.)

• Ladies finger is another name for okra, which is already listed.
• Brinjal is a name (Indian subcontinent) for aubergine/eggplant, also listed.
• Drumstick - I know this, I've even eaten it! Can't quite name it though, but it may already be in the list.

Imc 21:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Amerigo not found

I can't find Amerigo in Google as the name of a bean. I think it needs to have a solid reference before listing. Is it just a variety? And if so of what species? WormRunner | Talk 05:56, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And I cannot find chives

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.33.116.3 (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Lemongrass

Hmm, if lemongrass can be included here, what's to stop the other herbs such as thyme or basil from being included as well? Lemon grass is not eaten raw like you would a carrot or a stick of celery to my knowledge. And if you did try so, then you'd better chew carefully for the leaves can cut your tongue like a paper can cut your finger. You do not add seasoning to lemongrass just to eat it. Instead you use lemongrass as a seasoning to flavor a dish. It's also used medicinally in some parts of Asia. --Dara 11:38, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What should go in this list

I have reverted an anonymous user's wholesale reduction of the list. While I agree with some of the deletions, the overall effect was to reduce the usefulness of the list. Sweet corn is used as a vegetable, as are nettles. There is no justification for eliminating such vegetables as Kohlrabi, and so forth. Perhaps we can agree on a list of guidelines for inclusion? -- WormRunner | Talk 20:53, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

To start things off, vegetable is a culinary term and has no botanical meaning. Fruit, on the other hand, has a very specific botanical meaning and a very nebulous culinary one. Pears and pineapple are both considered fruits in a culinary sense, while zucchini, sweet corn and chard are considered vegetables. Cereal grains are botanically a kind of fruit, but except for sweet corn are often not considered to be either a vegetable or a fruit in a culinary sense. The herbs overlap with vegetables in that some plants are used either as medicine or flavoring (herb), or as a food with substance (vegetable). A plant part would only be considered a vegetable if you are using chunks of it, not a powder or extract. Sage is entirely an herb, whereas fennel can be used as either one. I would be in favor of including anything here which has a reasonably important vegetable use, regardless of whether or not it is botanically a fruit, seed or what have you, or can be considered an herb in some contexts. -- WormRunner | Talk 23:52, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It's just a list page. Anything that is commonly thought of as a vegetable should go in, never mind the tchnicalities of scientific classification, that way the page is much more useful to users. There's a blurb at the top of the page that clarifies this point already quercus robur 00:30, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Leak

Perhaps it would simpler to have a section for proposed additions, e.g. Leak —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hongkonger (talk) 11:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Christoferine

added to the list. had one in portugal 30 ys. ago, looked tasted like a bittermelon but was green. Would somebody give a botanical identification please ?http://www.ipfsaph.org/id/WTOTBTNF036353

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.134.88.88 (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2005 (UTC) yes its chayote —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.184.130.104 (talk) 21:43, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

corn is it a vegetable or a herb

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.172.202 (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC) Corn (maize) is actually a grain. In Europe, the word corn is used to refer to any grain. SkyDot (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite

I have just re-done this page with lots of additions. I have arranged the list in subcategories corresponding roughly to which bits of the plant are eaten. I realise that the term vegetable is not exact, so expect there to be additions to and removals from this list. I have deliberately removed any culinary herbs (ie those used to flavour food rather than as a source of calories). Hope you like. Dave 12:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

This pretending to be an encyclopedia increases public ignorance

Beans and lentils and chickpeas and so forth are pulses NOT vegetables. If someone would need to know the difference between vegetables and pulses using this list for his diet, he/she would make a big mistake and increase his/her confusion and ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.53.176.52 (talk) 13:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Idiots like you are a massive source of public ignorance. A vegetable is "a plant or part of a plant, which is used as food". If you can find me a bean, lentil, or chickpea, which is NOT a vegetable, I would be impressed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PRB (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that beans lentils and chickpeas are pulses AND vegetables. Read the discussion above, especially under the heading What should go in this list. The term vegetable is a vague one. Dave 17:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Watermelon

Moved the following from the article to here: (Dave 16:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC))

• edit * - Should watermelon really be placed on the list of vegetables here? It is listed here as a vegetable, though I remember it being a fruit.

Furthermore, on a seperate Wikipedia page here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon

it is listed as a fruit, which leaves these seperate Wikipedia pages inconsistent.

"Watermelon (Citrullus lanatus, Family Cucurbitaceae) is the fruit and plant of a vine-like (climber and trailer) herb originally from southern Africa...The watermelon fruit, loosely considered a type of melon (although not in the genus Cucumis), has a smooth exterior rind and a juicy, sweet, usually red interior flesh."

Though the term "fruiting vegetable" might be argued to include fruits (would seem a strange useage, at least to me), other entries in this same category of vegetables listed here such as tomato, eggplant, cucumber, and squash (just to name a few) are known vegetables that I've never seen classified as a fruit. These 2 Wikipedia pages, should, maintain some consistency on the information provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

is there any foods beggining with x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.179.115.242 (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Seaweed

Seaweeds are not plants and thus are not vegetables, they are algae. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.171.189.104 (talk • contribs • WHOIS) . 12:06, 21 November 2006

The plants listed under this section aren't algae. There are algae that live in the sea, certainly, but that's not what this list contains. This lists plants that grow in water that are eaten as vegetables. If I'm mistaken, and some of the particular seaweed vegetables here are actually algae, please feel free to correct me with specifics. Otherwise, please don't remove the list, okay? Thanks. Waitak 13:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Seaweeds are indeed algae (marine macroalgae) and so this is the only section in this list that does not list members of the kingdom Plantae. I think they should stay, but maybe the introduction needs changing. Thoughts? Dave 17:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'll be darned. I stand corrected. I'd always had a layman's understanding that seaweeds are just plants that happen to grow in the sea. I agree that they need to stay - this is a list of vegetables, not just a list of edible plants. But it would be a good idea to make that more explicit. Waitak 00:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The wiki article about red algae, under taxonomy, states that there is a debate to which kingdom it belongs. Some say Plantae and some say Protista. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.8.205.126 (talk) 00:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured list?

I'm considering trying to bring this list up to Featured List status. It'd clearly need a lot more information for each entry to be a featured list. Initial thoughts are:

• Nutritional properties - e.g. brocolli is high in vitamin C and soluble fiber...
• Global distribution - where is the vegetable eaten
• Usage - how is the vegetable eaten

Any thoughts? We'd need a lot of references to survive the process, and the list would change pretty dramatically. Any objections? Anybody willing to chip in? Waitak 12:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Sprouts?

Shouldn't there be sprouts on this list too? What about pickled veggies? Mushrooms? I guess it all depends on whether we want to make a list of culinary vegetables, or of botanically-verified veggies...Zigzig20s 10:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say no, since this is really concerned with the plants, not with the way they're prepared, no? Waitak 11:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I use them as salads...like I do lamb's lettuce or whatnot.Zigzig20s 13:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Horseradish

Is there a reason that I can't think of just now that wasabi is on this list but horseradish is not? There's already a Wikipedia article that could be linked to if someone wanted to add it to the list. -- Antiquegeek (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Broccoli di rape

I didn't see broccoli rabe under the leaf vegetables section. I'm going to add it.72.78.180.179 (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

alternative names and engvar

I see someone recently removed 'aubergine' from the list. Where a vegetable is commonly known by two different names, wouldn't it make sense to list it twice? Typically this an America/Rest of the World dichotomy, as in aubergine/eggplant, swede/rutabaga, etc. --candyworm (talk) 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay, in the absence of objection I'll proceed. --candyworm (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Pizza sauce issue

Considering that the US government has declared pizza sauce (tomato sauce) to be a vegetable (related sources include the Minneapolis Star Tribune, The Guardian, Washington Post, New York Daily News, and a lot more), it would probably be proper to add "Pizza sauce (US)" to this article, since that would be accurate. The IPs aren't really being vandals in this case, since they are pretty much accurate with what they're adding. But, at least by adding the US label, we'll be clarifying that this is only in the United States. Silverseren^C 07:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the refs. I've added a short blurb on "legal vegetables" to the lead section. Hopefully this will act as enough of a preemptive mention to prevent less careful edits. Waitak (talk) 14:34, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

That works. Silverseren^C 14:59, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Grapes?

Where do grapes fall — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.165.168.212 (talk) 14:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

List of fruits. Though I suppose grape leaves could be listed as a vegetable as they are sometimes eaten. Plantdrew (talk) 18:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they are eaten with filling and using grape leaves to roll them. Not sure why they are not included in this list.174.3.125.23 (talk) 12:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

List of vegetables used in Assamese cuisine

List of vegetables used in Assamese cuisine was recently moved per [1]. Closer notes that "... "culinary" seems unnecessary". For the easyease of reading, we our article names should be consistent. Thus, should this article be List of vegetables, or should List of vegetables used in Assamese cuisine be moved to List of culinary vegetables used in Assamese cuisine?174.3.125.23 (talk) 05:38, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Presumably this list is named to be consistent with list of culinary fruits and list of culinary nuts, where there's a distinction between fruits and nuts as defined by botanists or by cooks. Vegetable is pretty much exclusively a culinary category, so "culinary" might be unneccessary (though I do notice some previous discussion on the talk page about whether beans are pulses or vegetables; neither pulse nor vegetable is a botanical category; culinary preparation is what makes that distinction (fresh peas are a vegetable, dried peas are a pulse). Plantdrew (talk) 21:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hhmm, well I've thought about the definition of a vegetable. A vegetable includes roots, stems, and leaves, and excludes fruits, including the anatomical parts of a nut discussed on list of culinary nuts. The only problem with List of vegetables may be the possible confusion of people in a vegetative state. I think that readers would first look at list of vegatableslist of vegetables rather than the additional prefix. Looking forward to your thoughts.174.3.125.23 (talk) 09:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 18:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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List of culinary vegetables → List of vegetables – vegetable, being the primary topic seems to be the policy here: The current name is not an intuitive name for a reader searching for a list of vegetables. The most common definition of a vegetable is a leaf, root, or stem which a human would eat. Adding the extra prefix of "culinary" seems unnecessarily wordy, among other reasons, and seems to be stating the obvious. 174.3.125.23 (talk) 10:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support Proposed title is more concise, and "culinary" doesn't clarify anything in this case (unlike "fruit", which has a culinary definition different than the botanical definition, "vegetable" is solely a culinary concept). Plantdrew (talk) 16:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support, for conciseness and ease of finding in a search. Reify-tech (talk) 16:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support, obviously. It's not a vegetable if it's not culinary.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  12:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose The situation is not quite as simple as the comments above imply. Is rhubarb a vegetable? It's a stem that people eat. If "vegetable" is defined in terms of the part of the plant involved, then rhubarb is a vegetable and tomatoes are not, whereas tomatoes are a culinary vegetable and rhubarb is not. The qualification "culinary" makes it clear that it's the use that is the key factor in the definition. Personally, therefore, I am against the move on the grounds of precision. (However, I'm also aware that precision isn't highly regarded by many editors, so a more imprecise title would, unfortunately, be consistent with other articles.) Peter coxhead (talk) 16:18, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

There are articles such as list of culinary fruits and list of culinary nuts. In the case of culinary nuts, "nuts" is an impercise term, and some nuts are seeds, which may include grains, while other nuts are fruits. In the case of list of culinary vegetables, we discussed certain legal definitions of vegetables, and culinary uses of the term. I don't think such a black and white argument for keeping this article at this present title is forceful.174.3.125.23 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support. There is no parallel to nuts or fruits, as in neither case is the culinary use primary. The case for the move is quite as simple as it sounds, and I don't think I need to repeat the arguments above. Andrewa (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Okra

I'd like to propose Okra be moved under the fruit section; it seems much more similar to cucumbers and peppers than beans and peas rubah (talk) 00:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

It's an edible pod. "Podded vegetables" seems to be the correct place for it. Meters (talk) 01:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)