Talk:Television in Australia

Cable television start date

Can someone find out the ACTUAL start date of cable tv in Aus for the section "Cable television"? "Cable television services have been available in Australia since 1991 or 1992 or something like that" is quite, well, crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.127.161 (talk) 07:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Other means of distributing TV

The present article doesn't seem to say anything at all about cable television (CATV) in Australia. CATV originated in the USA and is also widely used in Canada and Europe. Lots of towns in the USA that don't have any broadcast TV at all have CATV systems that are fed either by satellite TV or microwave links from the big cities, or a combination of these.

Also, this article doesn't seem to say anything about Direct Broadcast Satellite TV. Is this unknown in Australia? (Due to the smallness of the population?) DBS TV is widely used in the USA, Canada, Europe, and Japan, as a minimum, but these are places with much larger populations. However, DBS satellite TV seems excellent for Australia because it covers all urban and rural areas at one fell swoop. An Australian DBS satellite could also cover New Zealand, if that service was designed into it.

Does the AUSSAT system cover rural areas of TV, albeit with larger ground antennas required than for the high power & expensive DBS satellites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.43.48 (talk) 05:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I propose that the article "list of Australian television stations" be put here in the present article's place. It covers everything this article does, and more. An actual list of stations might then be collated on that page. matturn 03:32, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Someone has added most popular free-to-air shows. I've recently started working on Australian television ratings, which is where stuff like this should go. I'll get in the process of moving them to appropriate pages, probably to something like List of Australian television ratings for 2004 and add more information.

I also agree with Matturn's proposal to move content from List of Australian television channels onto this page. DynaBlast 10:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I agree with Matturn's proposal that List of Australian television channels should be merged into this article. Stickeylabel 07:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Me too (isn't there a proper way for this to be done? I don't see any notices on that actual page..) timgraham

I have significantly worked on List of Australian television channels recently, and I have moved it to Australian television broadcasting. I withdraw my support for a merger, as Australian television broadcasting should be only used for discussing broadcasting. Australian television should become an article of which summarises programming, broadcasting, news, presenters, and ratings, and which provides links to the main articles for each of these areas. Stickeylabel 10:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the content of television in Australia should be seperated from information about its outlets. ~ Trisreed my talk my contribs 11:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps to begin with we could put some links between the two articles to see where each fits into the other. - I've added the Australian Television category to the Australian Television Broacasting - Even if we separate the broadcasting operations from the programming/news/presenters/ratings/regulation/business there will continue to be cross over between this article ATB and other articles. Abeorch 15:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Urgent Attention

This article is in need of immediate attention due to its high importance for WikiProject Australian television. Australian television should become an article of which summarises programming, broadcasting, news, presenters, and ratings, and which provides links to the main articles for each of these areas. Please continue discussion either below, and please contribute to the article to raise its class status. Stickeylabel 08:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration

I started some work on it, added in section regarding Public, Commerical and PayTV services, edited some. Please check through my work, as I am not entirely sure what needs referencing, but I think I covered everything that I added. However, I did take work from another WikiPedia page, all references from that page have been kept intact, but do I need to reference the Wikipedia article that I took it from? Gbenemy 17:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Began the "Regulations" section, have not nearly completed it yet, will do though. Is anyone else helping me on this "collaboration"? Gbenemy 00:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gbenemy, I'll help you with this collaboration :). The work you've already done is great, however may I please suggest you focus on the history of television, and keep duplicate material from Australian television broadcasting to a minimum? For example convert the current broadcasting section of the article into a condensed paragraph. Also convert the regulations section into paragraph form. Another aspect that should be worked on is history. There is alot of history with television in Australia, and it'd be great to be able to write a decent section about it. Stickeylabel 05:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Stickylabel. I will start working on the History section today, however may I ask that you (or someone else) condense the broadcasting and regulations section? it's just I'm not one of those people who can say what they need to say in as little words as possible, and so condensing what I have done (and other information I may find on the subject) will be quite tough for me. But I will try my best to condense the History section (not too much though, because we need a decent section about it). Gbenemy 15:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I added one more paragraph into the broadcasting section (sorry, I can't help it), but reading through the "Ratings" section, I have a feeling that pretty much EVERY sentence in there is going to need to be sourced. Gbenemy 15:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I condensed the Regulation section, and began work on the History section, However there is alot, and I only touched on the beginings of Australian Television History (the first few channels etc), You'll see. Anyway, hope I did good, please comment on my work, as this is my first major article. Gbenemy 23:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Great work Gbenemy :). I have fixed the citations a bit using WP:Cite, and I have cleaned up links and paragraphs as per WP:MoS. Stickeylabel 06:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks alot Stickeylabel, citing is still not my strong point, but I am hoping to improve that in the near future. Also, because this is my first main en.wiki article could you please guide me if I say anything wrong, or write about stuff that you don't want in this article? GBenemy ^(talk) 07:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I've attempted to cover fairly comprehensively the Broadcasting section although it feels a bit long to me. I've also made a start of the News and Current Affairs section - I decided to divide it into News and Current Affairs subheadings because I felt it would otherwise be a bit difficult to seperate the various news services. I still need to add Sky News to the news section and then elaboate on current affairs. timgraham 15:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Good work timgraham, I shall continue working on the history section tomorrow, and Hope to get atleast the sixties and seventies section done. Keep up the good work everyone :D. GBenemy ^(talk) 20:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

May I please request that the lists of stations in the history section be converted to prose as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Stickeylabel 14:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't do that bit :S I just worked (a bit) on the contextual information under 60's. :s GBenemy ^{(talk • it.wiki)} 16:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I made it a list because in most of those instances it worked much better - for example the '60s and '70s stations are too numerous to simply turn it into a paragraph. I thought it would be a bit more user-friendly to simply have a list stating which stations had launched in that period. The 2000s part could probably be made into a paragraph though given the nature of many of those stations (being digital-only etc). timgraham 01:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:EMBED demonstrates what I mean.

The only other criticism I can make of the section is that it centralises on the history of broadcasting, of which would be better served at Australian television broadcasting. May I suggest that the broadcasting and station related information be moved to Australian television broadcasting and make the history section of this page discuss both broadcasting, programming, regulation, etc. Stickeylabel 03:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

WOW! I leave for one day and someone goes ahead and does the entire history section, great, just great. Good work though. I agree the stations listed should be a list, but I put them into paragraph form because I mentioned only a few of the implemented stations, just to give an idea. I just realised something aswell, as of tonight, this article will no longer be ACOTF. Let's hope we (and by we I mean you guys, because everything I did got deleted) got it up to FA standard, at the very least GA :D GBenemy ^{(talk • it.wiki • bot)} 08:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gbenemy, Australian television will still be the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight until "Sunday, 5 August, 2007, 20:00 (AEST)", so there is still a week left :). Keep up the great work everyone, and hopefully after August 5 we can submit the article for a GA review. Stickeylabel 08:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

:S:S I could've sworn it was voted on two weeks ago :S owell, that's great news though! Let's keep going guys! :D GBenemy ^{(talk • it.wiki • bot)} 04:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

May I please request that the following be expanded: Australian television#1980s, Australian television#1990s, Australian television#2000s, Australian television#Programming, and Australian television#Scheduling. Once these are done, more work can continue on the article, with regards to citations, captions, images, and manual of style. Stickeylabel 10:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ZanderSchubert for expanding Australian television#1990s and Australian television#2000s, and I have now removed the stub templates for those sections. It would be great to see more information in the sections, however they are no longer considered stubs. Stickeylabel 10:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh, thanks. I do what I can... I have also expanded out Scheduling quite a bit. While I'm not sure of Australian television before about the early 1990s (well, I was born in the late 80s, so I have an excuse), we need to get a few choice programs to put in the 90s and 00s sections, as well as Programming itself. Also, we need to mention Sydney 2000 (and maybe Melbourne 2006), but should it be in the 90s (which it was in) or the 00s (because that's where people will look for it)? ZanderSchubert 11:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The scheduling section is far better now :). I believe mention of the Sydney 2000 Olymipics should be in the 2000s section, as the 2000s span from 2000 to 2009. It will be great to mention more significant programs and television events in the history section, as it currently consists of mainly broadcast history. Stickeylabel 11:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

May I please request that Australian television#1980s be expanded? It is the last stub-like section of the history section. Stickeylabel 13:28, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I have now expanded the introduction. Stickeylabel 12:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I have expanded the 1980s section to include important events and advancements. Now we just need to go through the whole thing with a fine-tooth comb, make sure it's all good spelling and grammar wise, and make sure cites have been done properly, then we can submit for GA and/or FA depending. ^GB_enemy^{(it.wiki • bot)} 09:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I've gone through the spelling, but more of a gloss over than fine-tooth comb job. I dearly need to ask: program or programme? We've got to pick one and use it throughout the whole article, because at the moment we're using both. ZanderSchubert 10:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I have converted all uses of 'programme' to 'program' as per the sources listed at Australian English#Spelling, where it states 'program' is more common than 'programme' in Australia. Stickeylabel 13:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I always use Program, however SBS (and i think ABC) use "programme" on their adverts and stuff. But the commercial channels, and the dictionary, use "program." Let's submit it for GA!! ^GB_enemy^{(it.wiki • bot)} 00:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Ratings help

I'm doing an FAC and it would be very helpful if I could have the ratings for Lost on July 26, 2007, or if you could direct me to a site where I could find those numbers. Thanks, --thedemonhog talk • edits 17:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

OzTAM typically does rating for Australia, and you can find records there. However, you can't get ratings for individual programs unless they're in the Top 20, so there's no info for Lost's firgures. Sorry. ZanderSchubert 06:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of plugging a site I'm involved with, a number of discussion forums such as Media Spy have discussion and figures for each night's ratings information - Lost got 1,171,000 viewers nationally according to this page: [1] timgraham 09:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for both of your guys' help. --thedemonhog talk • edits

Good article nomination successful

This article meets all of the GA criteria. My only suggestion is that, if you wish to take the article further (to FA), then the lead should be expanded and a few more references added. I wish you all the best with your editing... -- Johnfos 00:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of Australian television

I think it would be a good idea to start an article dealing exclusively with dates - there are an awful lot (station openings in particular) that would be better dealt with in a seperate article. The Regional television in Australia article for instance is full of dates and callsigns for the first four of five paragraphs - this is pretty dense stuff that would be better served by something like Timeline of the BBC. timgraham 04:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's something I prepared earlier: User:Timg231/drafts. timgraham 05:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree Tim :). I have now created Timeline of Australian television using the information on your draft page. Stickeylabel 13:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

ABC 2

I think that until Australia turns of the analog signal and everyone has to have digital, ABC 2 should not be listed alongside ABC 1, Seven etc. as one of the main networks; all of which are available in analog, my point being, all the other channels, if you've got a tv and an aerial, you can get them, where as ABC 2 is still sort of "second string." Tarcus (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Super League war

No mention of the Super League war? I thought it might be worthwhile, particularly in the 1990s section where the introduction of pay television to Australia is mentioned.--Jeff79 (talk) 16:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Done.--Jeff79 (talk) 18:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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History? or Present?

This article seems HEAVILY focussed on the history. It's got the present in there too, but way too much of the past from what I can see. The entire opening needs to be changed IMO. Look at the beginning of the broadcasting section giving an overview of 3 commercial networks & 2 government networks nationwide.. that kind of thing seems more prevalent. Also look at how the programming section focuses on past series rather than current Australian series. What do others think? Greg (talk) 04:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering if we should make this article MUCH MUCH shorter, and link to all the relevant articles eg: Give an overview of Television generally, then link to:

• History of Television in Australia (created from this article)
• Television broadcasting in Australia
• Digital terrestrial television in Australia
• Subscription television in Australia (including cable and satellite)
• Internet Television in Australia
• Australian TV Programs (from this article) or combined into List of Australian television series
• Television ratings in Australia

And some blurb on regulation.

The idea is to give the same or more information as before - just packaged much more neatly. Your thoughts? Greg (talk) 16:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   The lead section is too short for an article this size.

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   Long sections, such as "Programming", "News and current affairs" and "Ratings" are almost entirely unreferenced. While the history section has a good number of references, it relies heavily on one source, which does not appear particularly reliable.

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Since no significant improvements have been made to the article over the last week, I will now delist it. Lampman (talk) 13:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

expansion of article

I'm working on expanding this article and adding inline citations as I feel it's seriously lacking in content in many areas. I'd appreciate any comments. I've made several additions to the "Origins" section over the last few days with appropriate citations.
- Dunks (talk) 22:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

New External Link added

I moderate the Culture Victoria website and have added an external link to images and text about the 50th Anniversary of Television in Australia.Eleworth (talk) 00:38, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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