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The "Noteable Songs" section is problematic. I've resisted the urge to do away with it entirely as everyone seems to want to add to it. Virtually none of these songs are noteable outside of Israel, people are unlikely to recognise them given a bad translation of their Hebrew names ("On the Sting and on the Honey" was up there, at one point). If you absolutely must add a song to the list, please check the English name in one of Naomi Shemer's books. Otherwise you are simply doing her a disservice by giving bad, unpoetic and silly-sounding translations to the titles of her songs. ואם אתם רוצים להכין רשימה מלאה של כל שירי נעמי שמר, או להיכנס לדיונים איזה משיריה "חשוב" ואיזה לא, לכו תעשו את זה בוויקיפדיה העברית. פה זה מקום בשביל לתת סיכום תמציתי לטובת אנשים שלא מכירים ולא יודעים מי זאת נעמי שמר. לא לעניין לפלוט ידע בלי בקרה: מרוב עצים לא יראו את היער. --Woggly 09:35, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I disagree with parts of both the English and Hebrew language comments. It is helpful to indicate the "notable" works of an artist. --LPfeffer Apr 18, 2006

Hi Woggly and LPfeffer, I think both of you make good points. I would like to suggest changing the list into a paragraph and note that these are some of Shemer's better known songs. Thus we address both the POV concern and the need to refer to a few of the better known works of a composer/lyricist of Shemer's statue. Is this ok with both of you? gidonb 00:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we please have a nice picture of her instead of her gravestone?

Did she put up the hebrew words of "Hey Jude"?! wasn't that "Let It Be"??

She wrote an original song to the tune of "Hey Jude", she also wrote a song called לו יהי ("May it be so") which though it can be sung to the tune of "Let it Be", is performed to an original tune. --woggly 09:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is only the vaguest of relations between Lu Yehi and Hey Jude. It is idiotic to view her through the lens of Beatles worship. They were never in her class. Period. Can you write in Hebrew words this text?

Mehashèsh umehashèva
Alef-bet, alef-bet
Metsayerìm bagìv vatsèva
Alef-bet alef-bet
Veyotsòt mechòl machnàym
Alef alef-bet
Otiòt essrìm ushtàyim
Alef-bet

Thank you!!! This is a part of song text from Naomi Shemer.

This is an odd request, I'm not sure this is what Wikipedia is for. But what the heck. The transcription is totally off, the actual words are:

בני השש ובני השבע / אלף בית, אלף בית / מציירים בגיר וצבע / אלף בית, אלף בית / ויוצאות במחול מחניים / אלף, אלף בית / אותיות עשרים ושתיים / אלף בית

It's a popular song about the Hebrew alphabet written by Shemer. Roughly, skipping the aleph bet bit: "Children of six and children of seven draw in chalk and crayon, while the 22 letters break into dance". --woggly 09:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

Speaking of the "notable songs" issue, I don't see how the new External link to tikkuntoronto serves the purpose of this article. Except as an example of her work, do you see any connection to the article? Thanks, -rich<Rich Janis 10:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)>[reply]

Also, the jpost link gives me nothing but a "Cannot find article" message. Does the link work for you? Rich Janis 10:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories on this talk page[edit]

The "22:58, 26 August 2007 Alex Middleton" edit added "Category:Place of birth missing" to this talk page. Is that an error, or is that serving some other non-obvious purpose? The article already says, "Naomi Shemer was born and raised in Kevutzat Kinneret". --rich<Rich Janis 06:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)>[reply]

Rich: both your points are good, don't wait for massive approval. Go ahead and be bold.--woggly 07:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I see now that that was one of two edits to move that category here from the article page. That category was originally added by the "19:30, 4 July 2007 Away I Rode" edit to the article page, although the article already gave the place of birth and that edit lacked any explanatory comment. So, I did remove that category. --rich<Rich Janis 07:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)>[reply]

Tagged as possibly having original research since December 2007 And other tags[edit]

I've looked at the history and it looks like I have done most of the edits in that period of time. Since I reference the name, copyright, and publisher of each of the four books and the data is a transcription of the English-language table of contents of each (fair use I suspect) I'm concerned that it is tagged this way, am I missing something?

Has this article progressed from starter to something more substantive? Are there any plans for additional material or is it really of low importance so do with it what you will?

Docdave (talk) 04:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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