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Good articleMew (Pokémon) has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
March 1, 2009Articles for deletionSpeedily kept
July 10, 2009Good article nomineeListed
February 10, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
March 31, 2024Good article nomineeListed
Current status: Good article


More Specificity for the Glitch[edit]

I added more clarity on how to perform the glitch in the Red/Blue/Yellow games. Ansel.borhauer (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid reference for mentioning of the Mew glitch[edit]

The article specifically mentions the unofficial 'Mew glitch' as being one of the only methods of obtaining Mew and uses this as a source, (citation number 8) although the source does not actually mention the glitch and only verifies that Mew can only be obtained via official Nintendo promotional events or game-altering/game enhancing devices.

Taking into account the verification policies, the claim is valid; although I think we need to amend the problem by using a valid and reliable reference, otherwise I don't think that we need to mention this. The glitch is a very specific example of one of many oversights in the game engine and as such, is not official content from Nintendo.

It is also a little irritating that the article tends to make out that this instance is the only example of such a glitch. This is the section that grabbed my attention in particular: "Other than using a GameShark or Action Replay (this may damage the save file it is used on), Mew cannot be obtained within the Pokémon video games except via Nintendo promotional events and a glitch in Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow.[8] The glitch involves exploiting programmed events, such as walking into the view of a trainer, then using a Pokémon's "Fly" or "Teleport" technique to escape the area right before the trainer notices the player. This changes some of the number values in the game's memory—similarly to how MissingNo. is found—and starts a battle with a wild Mew"

There are valid examples of other glitches, such as the Celebi glitch from Pokémon Gold and Silver, if exploited in a slightly different way [1] and the specific 'select button glitches' in the Japanese only Pocket Monsters Red & Green, which many Pokémon players have successfully exploited and sometimes uploaded footage on to Youtube. Giving reliable sources to mention these glitches would be another problem, although the Mew article gives example of only one glitch and 'showcases' it, without using a valid source. 81.103.177.88 (talk) 18:56, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

mew is sorry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.139.166 (talk) 19:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory Statement[edit]

"Morimoto programmed Mew into the game secretly, as a prank amongst the staff just prior to its release in Japan, intending it to be a Pokémon only Game Freak staff members would know about and be able to obtain.[2] Mew was added at the very end of the development of Pokémon Red and Green after the removal of debug features, freeing up just enough space to add the character despite being told not to alter the game any further at this point. Though not intended by the developers to be obtainable, due to a glitch, players were able to encounter it"

This implies that it WAS obtainable but only the Game Freak staff knew how to obtain it, but is contradicted by saying that it was intended not to be obtainable. So what is it? TheGary (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't mean it to be obtainable, but it got programmed into the game anyway, and by a glitch players were able to encounter it. Technically it is obtainable, but it is not supposed to be. Tezero (talk) 14:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Good Article Reassessment[edit]

Mew (Pokémon)[edit]

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Result: Delisted. Femke (alt) (talk) 12:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the Mew article no longer meets the criteria for a Good Article. Much of the reception is either trivial coverage from listicles or content farm style articles, and standards have increased significantly from when it was first reviewed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The design section especially needs to be sourced to WP:RS, instead of WP:PRIMARY sources. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review[edit]

Passed. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Pokelego999 (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: QuicoleJR (talk · contribs) 15:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I will take this review. Expect comments in a few hours, ping me if I forget about it. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

@Pokelego999: Sorry for the wait. Here's the review:

Forgot to sign it. Re-pinging @Pokelego999: QuicoleJR (talk) 18:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR I've made the applicable edits where necessary. There's a lot in there that I missed while doing my initial improvements, genuinely don't know how I missed some of the things you brought up. I've also updated the image rationale, so hopefully that's enough, but at worst I can potentially replace that with a scan of the Legendary Offer from the magazine if you feel that might work better (Such as here)
I've added a few sources to Mew's reception, but I do feel that there's no need to split "Cultural Impact' into a separate "Reception" section, given its cultural impact and large real-world effects are more than enough to show the character's impact and notability, especially when combined with the two book sources already there. I believe that this article meets 3a just fine given it covers the major aspects of the character (Development history, impact on the Pokémon franchise and real world as a whole, and some critical reception from several sources, most notably books) and overall has a general scope thanks to not just focusing on one of these aspects more than the other and not having a specific POV. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The comments about the Reception section make sense. I'm a bit busy right now, but I should be able to make a second pass over the article some time today. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR just dropping in to double check what the timing is looking like. If you're busy, then don't worry about this for a while, it can wait, but I just want to check in on how it's going. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, I've been pretty busy lately. I should hopefully have this finished today if nothing else comes up. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pokelego999: I finally finished that second pass over the article. I don't have nearly as many issues as last time, so this should hopefully be the end of the review.
  • Mew's first film appearance was in Pokémon: The First Movie as one of the side characters alongside Mewtwo. The Appearances section says that Mew is one of the main characters. Which one is it?
  • who conceived the idea of an elusive, phantom-like Pokémon from games like Xevious and Space Invaders, specifically in the form of rumors that existed for those games. What does this mean?
  • but Sugimori was unable to make time due to the game's close release. I'm not sure why, but “close release” just sounds wrong. Maybe try something like “approaching release date” or “due to the game nearing its release date” instead.
  • He disliked the fetus-like aspects of Mew's design and revised the design into its modern-day appearance. This is the first time you mention any fetus-like aspects. Were they in the original concept art, the in-game sprite, or something else entirely?
  • Its DNA combines the genetic composition of all existing Pokémon species Does this mean its DNA has the DNA of all other Pokémon in it, or does it mean something else?
  • Due to its balanced statistics and vast move pool, Mew is regarded as one of the strongest Pokémon in Red, Blue, and Yellow. “Balanced” in this context typically means that it is similar in power to other options, as opposed to being overpowered or underpowered. Considering that you call it one of the strongest Pokémon in the game in the same sentence, I doubt that this is the meaning you intended.
  • Mew is mentioned in a diary entry in Cinnabar Mansion, The previous section says it is a journal, which makes more sense considering the scientific background. I know they are basically synonyms in this context, but I think the article should be consistent.
  • Mew received a special "Z-Crystal" item, This kind of implies that it was given directly to Mew. Maybe “A special “Z-Crystal” item was created for Mew” would work a little better?
  • Do we really need a step-by-step guide for performing a glitch, especially since it is sourced to a gameplay video? I feel like you could just summarize it without giving every single step required. Also, this source could be added in addition to or as a replacement of the gameplay video, assuming that it is the same glitch.
  • Speaking of glitches, you might want to use this source to expand that paragraph.
  • Why does the image of the certificate say “VOID” in giant letters? This isn't really a complaint, I'm just curious.
  • Mew's role was cited as a source of its appeal. Mew’s role as what?
Like I said, this list is much shorter than the first one, which means the article has gotten much better. Great work getting the article to GA quality! QuicoleJR (talk) 17:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR I've made the changes you've requested. Given the potential confusion with describing Mew's original design in comparison to the modern one, I've elected to add an image of the original sprite to help with clarity, so do let me know if that's alright or not. As for the certificate, I'm not too terribly sure myself, since I didn't even notice the text when I was doing my edits. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pokelego999: Sorry I took so long to respond, I was busier than expected yesterday. I only have a few small comments left before I can promote this article.
  • Unlike the other Pokémon from the first generation of the Pokémon franchise, Some people who aren't fans of the series might not understand what “generation” means here. This comes up throughout the section, so it might be easier to explain that it refers to Pokémon Red and Blue than to reword it.
  • It was believed to be long-extinct and "the legendary and rare 'most powerful Pokémon ever'". Why is “most powerful Pokémon ever” in quotation marks within a larger quote?
  • After thinking about it more, I think it would be a good idea to replace the certificate with a scan of the Legendary Offer. However, I'm not an expert on non-free content, so feel free to keep the certificate if the magazine isn't considered acceptable.
  • Mew's role in the games and as part of its dynamic was cited as a source of its appeal. I don't understand what “as part of its dynamic” is supposed to mean here.
QuicoleJR (talk) 20:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR Have done all of them bar clarification on the last bit. That bit hails from a book that I don't happen to have easy access to, so I am unable to further clarify that source without making hasty assumptions about the book's contents. I've removed the sentence, since everything before it seems enough to illustrate what the book says about Mew. Either way, should be all done now, let me know if you have any more concerns. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pokelego999: I think you should crop the magazine scan to just include the part about the Legendary Offer, per WP:NFCC#3. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR from what I can translate, the whole thing seems to be part of the Legendary Offer. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even the part where it shows pictures of different Pokémon? QuicoleJR (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@QuicoleJR seems so, as that section is describing other powerful Pokémon players can catch if they don't obtain Mew. Even in the case of wanting to crop it, the bottom half of the page also refers to part of the Offer. Technically, it is croppable though, if you feel it should be cut. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense. I do not think that you need to crop it. I read through the page again, and I do not see any more issues, so I will close this nomination as successful. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

  • Mew (Japanese: ミュウ, Hepburn: Myū) <onlyinclude>is one of the fictional species from the Pokémon franchise. This sentence has improper grammar.
  • It is a small, pink, Psychic-type Mythical Pokémon. Obviously I know the answer to this, since I've played the games, but you really should explain what a Mythical Pokémon is. For comparison, the GA Mewtwo explains what a Legendary Pokémon is in the lead, and Legendary is more widely known than Mythical.
  • Mew could not be obtained legitimately in the games except through some specific Pokémon distribution events or glitching. Is glitching really a legitimate method? The Appearances section of the article seems to disagree.
  • The movie revealed that a fossilized Mew eyelash, found in the Guyana jungle by a team of scientists, was used to create Mewtwo, a genetically enhanced Mew clone. Is this movie considered canon for the game series? Also, I feel like mentioning the Guyana part is unnecessary for the lead.

Concept and creation[edit]

  • Unlike the older characters in the Pokémon franchise, Older how? Mew was introduced in the first game.
  • which Tajiri deemed to be something exciting for players. This just doesn't sound right to me. Maybe try which Tajiri considered exciting for players. or something like that.
  • Mew was added at the very end of the development of Pokémon Red and Blue after the debug features were removed, freeing up just enough space to add the character despite being told not to alter the game any further at this point. Who added Mew, and who told them not to?
  • It was designed as a simpler version of Mewtwo so Mew would take up less space in the game's data. How would that make it take up less space in the data?
  • Mew's movements in the first movie were primarily created by the anime animators, Wasn't it an anime movie, using the anime characters? Who else would draw it?
  • who were working off the design depicted in its in-game sprite. I think you can cut “the design depicted in” and not change the meaning of the sentence.
  • the game states that scientists within the game view it as being the single ancestor of all other Pokémon. “The game states” and “within the game” are not both needed.
  • It is a Mythical Pokémon, Like I said earlier, you need to explain what this means.
  • and it is the last of the first-generation Pokémon. In what way?
  • In the video games, it is possible for Mew to learn any move that can be taught via special tutoring. Special tutoring is too vague.
  • It can also "transform" into other Pokémon. How? Also, why is “transform” in quotation marks?

Appearances[edit]

  • referencing that Mew is in Guyana. So far, the article has only said that they found it in Guyana. Is it still in Guyana?
  • For a time, Mew could only be legitimately obtained in the Pokémon video games via Nintendo promotional event distributions. “For a time” is way too vague. Maybe try “When it was introduced,” or something along those lines.
  • Players can obtain it by buying a Poke Ball Plus, which contains a Mew inside of it that can be sent into Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! or Pokémon Sword and Shield. Unsourced.
  • When sent out, it flies away from the stage, usually dropping rare items as it does so. The source does not support this claim.
  • though in the Japanese version of the film, Mew was depicted as a cruel being who wished to destroy Mewtwo and its clones. The source says that this was cut content and not a localization change.
  • Mew later appears in Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew where it is intrinsically tied to the mysterious Tree of Beginning and kidnaps Pikachu to play with it. How is it tied to this tree? It kidnaps Pikachu to play with what? I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know the answers to these questions.
  • Ever since that encounter, Goh's goal was to capture Mew. It's fine if the answer to this one is no, but is it possible to describe the nature of the encounter? As it is, I have no idea what happened past the fact that he saw Mew.
  • and Red and the character Green join forces to avoid it being captured. Is it unusual for these characters to work together at that point in the book? I know the answer, but most readers won't.

Cultural impact[edit]

  • The non-free use rationale for the certificate is pretty weak. I'm not sure what aspect of the character it is supposed to illustrate, especially since the certificate is never mentioned in the article.
  • and distributed the first cards of it for the card game as free giveaways, You should say and link Pokémon Trading Card Game here, since this is the first time you mention it.
  • Due to the success of the experiment on April 15, 1996, Game Freak announced a contest Was that date for the experiment or the announcement?
  • Mew's existence led to rampant rumors on its existence, Redundant.
  • ranging from methods on how to obtain it Already covered in more detail above.
  • such as those in Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon What is Pikachu’s Global Adventure? Is it a study, a book of studies, or something else entirely? I can't really tell.
  • its role as a source of appeal for the character Which character?

Miscellaneous[edit]

  • A major issue I found is the lack of critical reception for the character. Every other Pokémon character article, GA or otherwise, includes this information in its own section. Without it, I think this article fails criteria 3a.
  • Overall, the article needs to use pronouns more often. Replace “Mew” with “it” in a few spots.
  • References 1, 9, and 42 are the same source. They should be combined.
  • WP:EARWIG shows one source with high similarity, but it is quite obviously copied from Wikipedia, so there are no actual problems.

Source spot check[edit]

Picking some random sources:

  • 13: All good.
  • 16: All good.
  • 21: Written by a “contributor” instead of a staff writer, which makes me question whether it is reliable. Source 22 supports the same information, so I would recommend just removing this source.
  • 22: All good.
  • 27: All good.
  • 28: As mentioned above, this source only supports some of the content.
  • 33: All good.
  • 38: All good.
  • 49: All good.
  • 53: All good.
  • 56: All good.
  • 57: All good.

Since I only found issues with two of the sources I checked, I would say that this article passes the spot check.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 17:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Pokelego999 (talk).

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Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 21:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • New enough Good Article. The nominator is QPQ-exempt. ALT1 is fine as is. @Pokelego999: ALT0 needs a second call of the Iwata ref in the same sentence Morimoto programmed Mew into the game secretly as a prank amongst the staff just prior to its release in Japan. for DYK purposes, even if it is already technically cited. No other issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT0 is also now ready. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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