Talk:Monkey Business (Black Eyed Peas album)

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certifications?[edit]

what happened to the certifications section??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.118.112 (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Early version?[edit]

I remember listening to some pre-release version of "Monkey Business" a few years back, with less fluff on "My Style" and with "Ba Bump" titled "Bump da Bump" --217.39.35.230 (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Monkey Business (album)[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Monkey Business (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Bush":

  • From Don't Stop the Party (The Black Eyed Peas song): Bush, John. "The Beginning - The Black Eyed Peas". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved 2 December 2010.
  • From The Beginning (The Black Eyed Peas album): Bush, John. "The Beginning – The Black Eyed Peas". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 2, 2010.
  • From Don't Phunk with My Heart: Bush, John. "Monkey Business - The Black Eyed Peas". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved 15 May 2012.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:40, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Genre[edit]

Starting a discussion at Talk:The Beginning (The Black Eyed Peas album) has led to some progress and, more importantly, seems to have stopped the edit warring by socks of MariaJaydHicky. To that end, here we go.

The anonymous editor, who is very likely more socks of MariaJayHicky, is opposed to saying anything by the Black Eyed Peas is "pop", no matter who says it. Adding "R&B" would be a nice bonus. A direct link is "vague".[5] Maybe if I just replace it with a blog that agrees with me and don't explain...[6] What if I remove the sourced info I don't like and add unsourced info I do like without explanation?[7] How about if I remove the sourced info I don't like, add unsourced info I do like and use a deceptive edit summary?[8] I know: I'll remove a very clear reference discussing the group and calling the album "pop" and say it is "about the genre in a nutshell".[9] Maybe I can remove it, disguised with a deceptive edit summary that I am just "filling in bare links".[10] Perhaps if I say it isn't sourced in two sources (when it is) and say a third "isn't meant to be used" (whatever that means)...[11] A review from Billboard? Nah, I'll just remove that without comment.[12]

Wow. Just wow.

We'll start with "pop" and move on, as needed.

  • Robert Christgau says it is "what all pop might be".</ref>|pop[1]
  • MTV repeatedly says the group turned from hip hop and became a pop group with the addition of Fergie and says Monkey Business "pushed BEP into the pop stratosphere".[2][3][4]
  • mic.com puts the end of the bands hip hop on "Where is the Love" and ties their pop stardom to this album, "My Humps" and "Pump It".[5]
  • Billboard tags this article as making the BEPs pop stars.[6]

Any questions? - SummerPhDv2.0 14:13, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, at this point I'm finding it damned difficult to find sources that don't call it pop. It is patently insane to include 8 refs (I'm sure there are hundreds more out there) to address the concerns of one banned user. I'm going to trim the list to three or so. Here's the complete list, for the record:[1][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]|hip-pop[14][15][16]|hip hop[14][17] - SummerPhDv2.0 14:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't pop stardom refer to from going as an underground act into mainstream success and not meaning the album's genre? Joesob (talk) 14:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC) Joesob has been blocked as a sock of MariaJayHicky.[reply]
Here's what I found to be useful info for albums as well as this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rated_R_(Rihanna_album)&diff=635118627&oldid=635117811 Joesob (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
You found an edit where someone removed sourced genres and replaced them with unsourced genres, dismissing MTV as a reliable source and not explaining the removal of the other two.
Strange thing, Joesob: You've been editing here for all of one week and just pulled out an edit from 2014 to an article edited by socks of MariaJayHicky. You've been very interested in genre edits from the start. In fact, your very first edit was a genre change to an article edited by MariaJayHicky. Your second, third, fourth, fifth... edits? They were also genre changes to articles targeted by MariaJayHicky. That's a very unlikely string of coincidences, don't you think? - SummerPhDv2.0 16:23, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I found 'Sources for Estelle and I was reading through what Dan56's edits were of the articles in general and I was right about the AllMusic side bar thing; no disrespect would it kill you to fill in a bare link too, it's untidy and a right pain in the bum to see Joesob (talk) 16:29, 14 July 2016 (UTC) Joesob has been blocked as a sock of MariaJayHicky.[reply]
I could fill-in bare refs, but I'd be afraid I'd end up making unsourced changes to genres. You know what that's like. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's not funny; do me a favour; never talk to me on here again; you're childish and I don't want to associate with you; whatever I edit, you leave alone and what ever you edit I leave alone I want nothing ever to do with you Joesob (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC) Joesob has been blocked as a sock of MariaJayHicky.[reply]
When you say "whatever (you) edit" does that mean just under this particular user name? - SummerPhDv2.0 16:48, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wow who'd you think you are Catherine Tate? Put it this way Joesob edits SummerPhDv2.0 stays far, far, far away, SummerPhDv2.0 edits a page Joesob stays far, far, far away Joesob (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I think we know who everyone is. - SummerPhDv2.0 16:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that was fun. Do any non-sock editors have an opinion? - SummerPhDv2.0 21:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More IPsocking by MariaJaydHicky. WP:RBI and page protection. - SummerPhDv2.0 21:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More of the same. WP:RBI and page protection. - SummerPhDv2.0 17:33, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "The Black Eyed Peas:Monkey Business (2005): Robert Christgau Review". Robert Christgau. Retrieved 2012-05-31.
  2. ^ http://www.mtv.com/artists/black-eyed-peas/
  3. ^ http://www.allmusic.com/album/monkey-business-mw0000343891
  4. ^ http://www.ew.com/article/2005/05/30/monkey-business
  5. ^ [1]
  6. ^ [2]
  7. ^ http://www.mtv.com/artists/black-eyed-peas/
  8. ^ http://www.allmusic.com/album/monkey-business-mw0000343891
  9. ^ http://www.ew.com/article/2005/05/30/monkey-business
  10. ^ [3]
  11. ^ [4]
  12. ^ Cite error: The named reference avclub was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  13. ^ Cite error: The named reference ewreview was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  14. ^ a b Kraines, Talia (2005). "BBC - Music - Review of Black Eyed Peas - Monkey Business". BBC. Retrieved July 6, 2016. With its witty rhymes and clean lyrics, this is hip hop for families
  15. ^ Cite error: The named reference RS was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  16. ^ Cite error: The named reference slant was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  17. ^ "The Black Eyed Peas: Monkeying Around". The Record Music Magazine. Retrieved July 10, 2016.

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 11:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed; Earwig finds no issues.

  • What makes the following reliable sources?
    • hiphopgalaxy.com
    • lyricsondemand.com
    • theculturecrypt.com
  • This link seems to be to an individual's music channel, so I don't think we can use it as a source. The footage is presumably real but since the BBC has the copyright WP:LINKVIO says we can't use the link. Same issue for the Black Eyed Peas Live youtube channel and Thiago Rocha's video of the Teen Choice awards.
  • IMDB is not a reliable source as it can be edited by users, like a wiki.
  • Genius.com is not a reliable source for lyrics, per WP:RS/PS.

I'll pause the review there until these are addressed. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bronx Langford, are you planning to work on this? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been checking this lately, sorry! I can remove/replace all inadequate sources. Apart from those, is there anything else I should work on? Bronx Langford 11:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When you're done with the sources I'll go ahead with the rest of the review. I think one of your other nominations is also under review at the moment so you may want to take a look at that too. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per this conversation the nominator is unable to continue with the review, so I'm closing this is a fail; they will renominate at some point in the future. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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