Talk:Non-binary gender

Boygender

Boygender is a gender in non- binary gender identities for those who identify with the term "boy," but reject manhood and/or feel disconnect from the term "man." It opposes toxic masculinity and embraces innocence, soft masculinity, non-binary masculinity, and non-binary boyhood.

The original tumblr made flag with the following link boygender flag WIKI Leofranken (talk) 06:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Leofranken. There exist a great many gender identities, but relatively few are fit to discuss on Wikipedia. In particular, it should be discussed by one or more reliable sources. Tumblr and wikis anyone can edit do not count. Have any such sources discussed this gender? -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 16:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Xenogenders into Non-binary gender

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

I am closing the proposed merge as per the independent discussion on WP:AFD the article Xenogenders has been deleted and turned into a redirect. This action has made this discussion unnecessary and I am therefore closing it. Thanks! ZombiUwU ^{(💬 ~♥~ 📝)} 19:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Xenogenders are already discussed in Non-binary gender and as it stands the Xenogenders article doesn't cover any unique ground other than the invention section and neopronouns which are not exclusive to Xenogenders and are already covered in Neopronoun. ZombiUwU ^{(💬 ~♥~ 📝)} 02:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I do think that could be a good idea. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 16:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I added some more information such as results from gender censuses and research done on xenogenders. So I think the article covers some unique ground now. DarknessGoth777 (talk) 07:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 17:34, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge. I've added that to the correct Wikidata item too. --MikutoH ^talk! 01:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose and the article for xenogenders should be deleted as not notable. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose (and delete xenogenders; not notable). Mathglot (talk) 04:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Merge/Redirect. Considering WP:GNG (and the lack of 'notable' coverage about xenogenders), I'd say that the current info about xenogenders at Non-binary gender#Xenogender is probably sufficient for Xenogenders to just redirect there. Same deal as Xenogender. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 23:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. A wide swath of xenogenders don't fall under the nonbinary (or even transgender) umbrella whatsoever. Tdmurlock (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

However, the issue here is WP:GNG (and WP:SPS for your point in particular). Yes, xenogenders are a real thing, and there undoubtedly are some xenogenders out there which don't fall under the nonbinary/transgender umbrella - however, Wikipedia requires reliable sources about topics, and, as it stands, the vast majority of sources about xenogenders (along with lived experiences) are WP:SPS (and, regrettably, due to WP:NOTLEAD/WP:NOR, the task of 'performing some original research into the lived experiences of people whom have xenogender identities and their perspectives on their identities, and then publishing said research via a reputable outlet' isn't a task which can be performed via Wikipedia itself - it has to be done elsewhere and then referenced on Wikipedia). 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 11:43, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

That's true. However, that kind of research isn't impossible, and someone could step up. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this. If we expanded the article and used more sources, we could possibly keep it a separate article. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 00:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

I am closing the proposed merge as per the discussion on WP:AFD the article Xenogenders has been deleted and turned into a redirect. ZombiUwU ^{(💬 ~♥~ 📝)} 19:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Non-binary

In the opening paragraph of the page, the statement “assigned to them” as description of one’s individual thrownness, is misleading. I feel it reasonable to suggest a change to something more empirically accurate. 2600:1700:3840:A2E8:703E:A5E2:57BC:A08F (talk) 01:40, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

You mean in the second sentence discussing sex assigned at birth? I am not sure how it is misleading, could you elaborate more? To my under standing this is referring to the sex assigned to the individual at birth by a medical professional or other entity based off of the individuals genitalia or chromosomes. Thanks! ZombiUwU ♥ ^{(🌸~♥~ 📝)} 03:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

the gender isn't assigned to them, they're born with it. Also, for some reason you say non-binary is listed under the Trans umbrella, but non-binary and trans are two vastly different things. Trans requires a binary, non-binary doesn't. You can't be Trans if you're non-binary because you can't transition from something to nothing 2600:1014:B166:2C2E:7595:3956:A8A8:AE7F (talk) 01:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done These are just assertions and the whole thread falls foul of WP:NOTFORUM. There is no coherent edit request here, just assertions, arguments and opinions based on a complete misunderstanding of what the topic of this article even is. If anybody wants to suggest a change to the article then please do so clearly saying what specific text should be changed, what it should be changed to and provide Reliable Sources to support that change. --DanielRigal (talk) 02:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

The prefix "trans" means "other"; it doesn't rely on there being a binary. Additionally, even if you seem to not like the phrasing "sex assigned at birth" it is nonetheless the standard academic term, because a newborn's apparent sex is determined by outer observation. 2A01:CB00:50F:B000:F0EF:1FD8:8566:3E14 (talk) 14:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Unary

what about those unary people who believe people can only be of one sex? 157.211.134.108 (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)