Talk:The Revenger's Tragedy

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Untitled section

Why isn't there a plot summary section here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.126.107 (talk) 15:00, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you add one yourself: it is just not there because no-one wrote it yet.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 05:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

"there is a lack of familial love in the Duke’s family; when the Youngest Son is tried for rape, the Duke does not speak up for him when he could have easily saved him."

Not a good example. The son isn't a blood relative of his anyway, and it would also mean overturning the rule of law (and thus undermining his own position). On top of this, he does eventually speak up for the son, even though it's a deferral rather than a pardon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.137.242 (talk) 11:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thoreau

Thoreaun modernizes the spelling in his use of the passage. The word "State" apparently becomes "stat" in the Gutenberg version. This is probably being a typo, since the other changes make sense. I don't have access to a hard copy of the text, and WWW sources vary, so I don't know if this apparent typo was in Thoreau's original or only later. Kdammers (talk) 02:15, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Possible article improvements

Moved from the immediately previous section to its own section, and title added by: Xover (talk) 04:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Not necessarily relevant to Thoreau but rather the article as a whole: I feel more character analysis could be provided. Further explaining the relationship between characters and their motives behind their actions would give readers a bit more insight to the plot as a whole. Taymier (talk) 23:20, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

The article could give more detail in the character description such as identifying the fact that many of the main character's name translates to English, Castiza = Chastity. This could help the reader understand the significance of each characters role and what each character is meant to personify in the play. The names of many of the characters strongly relate to their behaviors and actions. Randycoll (talk) 01:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree that a bit more character development would be welcome. The page discusses how there is no record of the play being performed until the 20th century, while it was indeed played in the original Globe Theatre in the 1600s, so there is some work to be done in the "Performance History" section of the page. Under the section "External Links," the first link titled "The Revenger's Tragedy Online" does not take the reader anywhere. This link either needs to be fixed to take the reader to the correct location, or just removed entirely. Tedseamans (talk) 08:38, 17 October 2015 (UTC)Tedseamans

Under the influences heading I found it suitable to make a note of the macbre influences noted in this play. The article I found stated macabre as being "one of the best adjectives to describe the play and I found this to be true. I feel the information is valuable due to the possible expansion of the readers perspective rather than just beginning to view the play from the medieval standpoint.Randycoll (talk) 02:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

I added to the influences portion of the article, and lightly touched on the connection between "The Revenger's Tragedy" and Shakespeare's "Hamlet." Howard Felperin asserts that "The Revenger's Tragedy" is, essentially, about "Hamlet" and the scholarly article by Scott McMillin goes into elaborate detail about the varying characteristics of the two plays. I felt this was a necessary addition to better relate "The Revenger's Tragedy" to a more popular name associated with theatrical performances, and have added a hyperlink to Shakespeare's "Hamlet" for further reading. Taymier (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Our group of student editors changed a few grammar and punctuation errors throughout the article, mostly pertaining to the use of commas and quotations. It improved the overall quality of the article by making it easier to read and understand. We changed no actual content, but rather how the content was worded. Taymier (talk) 20:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Again, I elaborated on Scott McMillin's article addressing the similarities and differences between "Hamlet" and "The Revenger's Tragedy." I wanted to give readers a better insight to what the influences of Hamlet actually were, and how it pertained to the article regarding the play. Taymier (talk) 02:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

We copy edited our article as a group in the library and Taylor made the final inputs. We didnt have to change much as it was mostly grammatically sound from what we found.Randycoll (talk) 01:48, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I also added a section to the article for Character Analysis.I thoguht this would provide the readers with more insight and background to the characters. Each character has significance, and the dissection of that significance is pertinent to the plot and the understanding of each character’s function in the play. Taymier (talk) 01:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC) I inserted a sentence derived from a supporter of middleton as the author. The readers may find it useful to note the extent of doubt surrounding authorship so much to even doubt the intended title.Randycoll (talk) 18:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I added a Necrophillia sub heading under influences. This was not previously mentioned and I felt it to be an important aspect of the play that should be introduced to readers who were unawawre of its place in the work.Randycoll (talk) 22:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I added onto Taylor's new Character Analysis article and put a new subheading titled "The Women." Here I added some analysis regarding the women who are present in the play. I also corrected a citation error that was previously committed. Tedseamans (talk) 02:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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Authorship debate

The changes entitled "Rearrange comments on authorship" (14:10, on 6 May 2023) actually remove a quote and reference reflecting the current (very nuanceed) direction of academic scholarship regarding the play's authorship. I'm not sure why this was removed. The changed text presented Middleton's authorship as a settled issue, whereas current scholars (liked Walsh), while tentatively accepting it, also stress that with the data we have it is difficult to come to a fast conclusion. Many academics are increasing moving closer to a position of agnosticism on the authorship issue. I have restored the quote from Walsh, which gives a nuanced approach to Middletonian authorship. It must be admitted that the quote was moved to the section on authorship debates but it was yoked with "Statements of doubt continue to appear but without new evidence or arguments to support them", which doesn't to justice to the original source which gives extensive consideration to the issue of authorship, and attempts to steer an objective course. I would appreciate the issue being debated here before the quote from Walsh is removed again, and the intro is changed to make it look like the question of authorship is settled in Middleton's favour. Thanks. 82.16.121.150 (talk) 10:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)