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"Mexican" edit war[edit]

Per WP:BRD it's time to discuss this instead of continuing to revert one another. Let's look at the facts: The salad was invented in Mexico. There is no debate on that point that I am aware of. However, it was invented by an Italian-American chef who was operating a restaurant in Mexico to avoid alcohol prohibition that was at that time the law in the United States. Does that make it "Mexican"? It does not come from the culinary tradition of Mexican cuisine of that region, at most it is Baja Med, given the Parmesan and olive oil, but really it just happened to have been invented there, so personally my inclination is to leave "Mexican" (or any other nationality) out of it and let the "History" section of the article speak for itself, but I'm open to arguments to the contrary. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

From Pisco sour, a featured article: "A pisco sour is an alcoholic cocktail of Peruvian origin that is typical of the cuisines from Peru and Chile." As simple as that. People, however, tend to act as nationalists and get obsessed with the countries ("Ricky Martin is a Spanish-Puerto Rican-American singer"). (CC) Tbhotch^™ 16:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that people will fight trying to correct a salad's place of origin for YEARS is absolutely crazy OOFerstt6 (talk) 01:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad this edit war is finally over. Justanot (talk) 17:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like a lemon to a lime, a lime to a lemon[edit]

Can we discuss this lemon-lime-limon issue here and settle it please? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A lime in English; a limón in Mexican Spanish

A lemon in English; a lima in Mexican Spanish

The images explain why people get lost in translations. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Limón is lemon in Spanish, lima is lime in Spanish. The pictures aren't confusing, the mistranslation is. I corrected the original post. In the future, when citing languages other than English, please ensure your translation is correct. OriginalKyttyn (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I forgot to enter above: limón verde also refers to a lime in which case limón amarillo then identifies lemon specifically. It's confusing but lima never refers to a lemon that I have ever heard anywhere in México. OriginalKyttyn (talk) 04:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Caesar salad is not Mexican[edit]

The ingredients aren't Mexican. Even if a foreign chef invented it in a Tijuana hotel it still doesn't qualify. The guy who invented it WASN'T MEXICAN as you can clearly see. You need examples? Ok. Salsa music WAS STARTED IN New York city by Puerto Rican & Cubano musicians in a club. Does that mean some American farmers guy from Missouri or Arkansas can lay claim to "Salsa music" being his own because of a technicality? After all Salsa music started in US jurisdiction. Nobody calls it regular American music like jazz blues or country western. You can't just claim a thing without any context. 76.167.193.57 (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Am I missing something? The article doesn't appear to call it Mexican anywhere - what's the problem? Girth Summit _(blether) 21:13, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox and the article text (correctly) identify the place of origin as Tijuana, but I also don't see anywhere it is claimed the dish is Mexican food. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, it does not. Tijuana is technically part of México, not the US. It can be confusing for some people but it does not fall under US federal jurisdiction but does under jurisdicción federal Mexicana.

https://www.universal-traveller.com/where-is-tijuana-mexico-located/

https://www.we-heart.com/2021/09/27/is-baja-california-in-mexico-or-the-usa/ OriginalKyttyn (talk) 04:19, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned below, labelling Caesar's salad as a part of Mexican cuisine means implying a certain beet soup comes from New York's Borscht Belt. Nevertheless, the mild "place of origin:" line in place of bolder "country:" was a good, productive, ultimately conflict-resolving move. 2A00:1FA0:345:6B83:17B3:F832:E14F:D6CD (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The field just says "place of origin", as in where it was invented, not the anything to do with the ingredients or nationality of its inventor. NicolinoChess31415926 (talk) 00:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with future claims the salad belongs to Mexican cuisine. The logic behind "Caesar's salad is Mexican" consensus means borscht should, all of a sudden, be labelled as a dish originating from "Borscht Belt, New York, NY, USA (insert star-spangled banner here)". 2A00:1FA0:345:6B83:17B3:F832:E14F:D6CD (talk) 11:57, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one is claiming that. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 18:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a Heads Up[edit]

Some a-little-more-than-unknown-but-not-quite-world-famous Youtuber recently did a video going in depth in to the history of this article and the "war" and really doubled down on humor and exaggeration. Might want to brace for future bush wars in the near future... :D Jersey John (talk) 12:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yea no, I have come across some other pages where the controversy and editing duration were not as lengthy as this one. However, despite this, they continue to make biased claims, cite in-source or unreliable sources, and outright accuse the main character of the page's topic with some crimes with no evidences at all. It is safe to say that, things are fun when you keep it short and keep it effective. But when you drag for so long and downright hilariously dumb reasons. You are just a bunch of bitter folks.

It is highly beneficial if you are able to contribute and dedicate time to conducting research, and we strongly encourage this behavior. The early edits on this page, regardless of their accuracy, clearly demonstrate a genuine enthusiasm. But please, refrain from doing stuffs like this. The reason people turn to Wikipedia is to search for information, rather than treating it like a chalkboard and draw nonsense on it.

Man, I talk so much like always. Anyway, peace. 2405:4802:B2FB:8D90:C0BD:A8F0:F714:EE9B (talk) 05:48, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

huh... LegalSmeagolian (talk) 23:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks to this very youtuber, I have realized something about my recurrent topic - Borscht. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The video actually released back in 2022, assuming we're talking about this. It just got popular recently I think. The article has recently been WP:ECP protected until the end of the year, so I doubt there will be much disruption any time soon. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 10:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the youtube algorithm works in weird wonderous ways. Anyway, I could really use some Caesar Salad rn. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 February 2024[edit]

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it was not made in Baja mexico Elderbump84 (talk) 04:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 04:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

Why is this extended protected? Thank you. A Proud Alabamian (talk) 23:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently there was a big edit war over the origin of the Caesar salad. It happened before I joined Wikipedia but that's the gist of it - OpalYosutebito (talk) 00:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I’m new to Wikipedia, as well. A Proud Alabamian (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it’s quite funny how long it went on for. I just learned about this lol maybe it needs an article of its own. Very interesting topic. Finallyunbanneditsbeentwoyears (talk) 08:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]