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Jeet Kune Do References[edit]

http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Jeet_Kune_Do

The Way of the Warrior: Martial Arts and Fighting Styles from Around the World By Chris Crudelli - Jeet Kune Do; Page 316

Inosanto Academy of Martial Arts

13352 Beach Avenue

Marina Del Rey, CA 90292

Phone: (1-310) 578-7773

Email: info@inosanto.com

−== Flagging JKD for multiple issues ==

Greetings Fellow Wikipedians,

I'm being bold and making the following edits:

1. Consolidating the editing templates into a multiple issues template

2. Replacing the tone template with the copy edit template which encompasses tone and other issues. Doing this will also flag the article for the Copy Editor's Guild to pick up if I am unable to complete all the editing, which I expect to be the case because of the other issues I'll note in a moment.

3. Adding an original research template. I'm reading numerous statements in this article in which the author says certain things such as "Lee felt" or "Lee believed" which are then not backed up with outside analysis drawing the same conclusion the author makes. That is original research and it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. I believe the original research needs to be corrected and in doing so, the tone of the article would necessarily change. I am not knowledgeable enough about this topic to redo all the research; an expert may be needed. The article overall seems very informative and well researched but it reads like personal research essay instead of an encyclopedia article. Because of the depth of the research present, I am not comfortable simply removing the content which appears to be unsourced because the original research seems to woven into the structure of the article itself.

I will read through the rest of the article to look for general copy editing opportunities and add any additional notes I think may be useful for you in this space. Curdigirl (talk) 06:09, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted all of the heading LINEAGES as it had not one credible source and was all about other people, frankly I'd never seen so much advertising in one page and I have created over a dozen articles. Funny this is all my articles of martial artists are look over with a microscope yet this one is ridiculous. Australianblackbelt (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee is defining this art, and he is the only authority. Jay William Litwyn (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation and lineages[edit]

I think some basics about founding of JKD/however Bruce came to realization about the concepts of JKD is needed. Is it valid to have listing of what and where the JKD instructors of Bruce Lee deviated to? The real sketchy part is that JKD is infact in-concrete thing and can be interpreted as many ways. Either its Bruce's original Wing Chun system preserved as close to possible (Jun Fan Institute), takes concepts of Bruce Lee's martial research and develops them further in what Bruce (theoretically) would've done (Inosanto JKD Concepts), basis for completely different style (Wu Wei Gung Fu, Non-Classical Gung-Fu), some sort of philosophical cross-training, or just Bruce Lee's research/tools to add to your melee arsenal. Discuss. TrickShotFinn (talk) 15:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has had similar arguments before: Talk:Jeet_Kune_Do/Archive_1#Branches_section

I changed lineages to notable practitioners. However problem remains with certain of Bruce Lee's students who deviated from JKD to found their own martial arts systems. Should they have their own section or something? They are (in a way) proto-JKD/Jun Fan Gung Fu practitioners and have knowledge and concepts shared with Jeet Kune Do.TrickShotFinn (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like an entire section promoting everyone who teaches JKD to me with club websites as references, I'll make a table of what is accepted in Wikipedia but even that is pushing it. No names will go in the table unless they are named in a third party source not club websites. Because this is Bruce Lee the all the Wikipedia rules are overlooked it's a disgrace Australianblackbelt (talk) 10:36, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Major Peacock issues and club websites as sources[edit]

This article reeks of promotional content, weasel language and peacocking, such a double standard.. all the dozens of pages I created get criticized under a microscope any lines that are not sourced by credible third party are removed yet this site looks like a blog. Just take a look at William Cheung they have tags a news source as not credible and tried to delete the few words from it. Someone needs to seriously redo this article, as if there isn't enough information on Bruce Lee's other articles. Australianblackbelt (talk)

He had a lot of impact. Upstage teacher. Jay William Litwyn (talk) 23:20, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Text to safety[edit]

Some excess text

Lee founded the system on July 9, 1967, referring to it as "non-classical", suggesting that it is a formless form of Chinese Kung Fu.

It is referenced in the screenplay of the 1973 Warner Brothers film Enter the Dragon when Lee is asked, "What's your style?" and he replies, "My style?...You can call it the art of fighting without fighting."

Lee believed that kata forms and martial art tournament matches alike (like Karate) were simply "organised despair".[1] He believed that in order to "fully express oneself," one must have "no limitations" (kata and rigid and non-flowing movements being the limitation.) His system was new, and included all possible forms of strikes: attacks to the groin, finger jab to the eye as well as biting.[2]

The name Jeet Kune Do was often said by Lee to be just a name, and he often referred to it as "the art of expressing the human body" in his writings and in interviews. Through his studies Lee came to believe that other styles had become too rigid and unrealistic. He called martial art competitions of the day "dry land swimming". He believed real combat was spontaneous, and a martial artist cannot predict it, but only react to it, and a good martial artist should "be like water"—move fluidly without hesitation.

References

  1. ^ Lee, Bruce (1975). The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Ohara Publications. p. 14. ISBN 0897502027.
  2. ^ Tucker, Susan (1 January 2011). "Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do Science". 1. 29: 18. Retrieved 31 October 2020.

Original research in the arts? Normal.[edit]

Of course there's original research here. Every artist wants his work noticed with a pulled fist and decisive finish. 2604:3D09:2A77:9200:29F2:34C9:BA87:159D (talk) 22:40, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]