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On 17 June 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mahātmā to Mahatma. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Mahatmas and Mahandas are the same name for Gandhis first name. Juicyboy 325. 11/12/04

"Great White Brotherhood" was not a term used by Blavatsky. I have removed that reference. -Brucey

This is incorrect. Gandhi's first name is 'Mohandas' (Mohan-das) which has no etymological relation to the world 'Mahatma'. --Bigbenboa 22:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Split?[edit]

Should this page be separated into articles on the Hindu and Theosophist versions of Mahatma? It seems to me that they're completely different concepts. Rojomoke 13:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is correct. The Theosophical material seems to me mainly relevant to Theosophy; it doesn't belong on a general article on the idea of mahatma. I'm flagging this for a POV-check; it's special pleading for a particular minor position. Randwolf 18:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Theosophical definition can be seen as an appropriation of the Hindu definition. It could be split into two articles or as suggested below, split within this article. Either way, the two definitions are significant enough to be mentioned. --Bigbenboa 22:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality[edit]

Mahatma is a Sanskrit word that means, more-or-less, "saint". As such, the current text of the article gives undue weight to the term as used by the Theosophical Society, is almost a completely different use of the term; many, many more people use the common Indian sense--see for instance the articles on Mahatma_Gandhi, Adi Shankara, and Prahlad Keshav Atre. It is as if the article on saints had extensive coverage of the saints significant to a tiny group of Indian christians, and almost nothing on the Roman Catholic saints. My preference in this would be to start an article Mahatma (Theosophical Society) and reference it in the main article. Are there other opinions? Randwolf 07:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest a separate section within this article to clarify the distinctions between the two concepts. Aburesz 16:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a separate article isn't necessary, but there is certainly a need for more clarification.

On the "letters": the text states that these alleged letters existed as if they are physical entities. Is this correct? Can we have a reference for it? The text makes it sound like Blavatsky was passing physical letters on to other people. Correct, if so, what is the ref?

Sardaka (talk) 08:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

including the "ascended master" notion from pseudo-theosophy at the very top of this article gives a complete misrepresentation of the meaning of the word and its usage in Indian history. The "ascended master" idea is also heavily skewed from what the term meant to early theosophists. The article currently says “Mahātmā is similar in usage to the modern English term saint and can be translated to "ascended master",” which is an abomination of the meaning. It means “great soul” or “great self” literally; that is all that needs to be said in the opening paragraph. Differences in how people have interpreted the term can be given later in the article, with clarity as to who is interpreting it in what way. Currently the article gives the impression that the ascended masters interpretation is the correct one. 66.214.190.43 (talk) 18:36, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mahatma/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Rated as a "stub" religious article; there really isn't much here, except for off-topic stuff that belongs in a theosophy article. Compare to the article for the similar Christian term saint, which is far more extensive. Randwolf 18:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Substituted at 18:29, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. On WP:UE grounds. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:45, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mahātmā → Mahatma – Mahatma is accepted as an English word in dictionaries like Oxford, Random house, Collins [1][2]. The noun is commonly asscoiated with Mahatma Gandhi, where the diacritics are not used. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:00, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Terms popularly used in standard English should be in the most common spelling. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.