Talk:United States S class submarine

Possible errors and contradictions in this article

1) "The United States Navy commissioned 48 S-Class submarines between 1920 and 1922." S-1 through S-51 were all commissioned. Also, S-42 through S-47 were not even launched till 1923-24.

2) "S-48 through S-51, built by Bethlehem Quincy." These boats were built by Lake at Bridgeport.

3) "Group II (S-2 class, or "Lake" boats): S-2 through S-17..." S-2 was a prototype, substantially different from S-3 through S-17. (24 feet shorter, 3 feet 3 inches more draft, 75 tons lighter, smaller engine; all differences of 9% or more). S-3 was the BuCR design, built at the Portsmouth Navy Yard, as were S-4 through S-13. S-14 through S-17 were built by Lake to the BuCR design. I have created a separated characteristics section for S-2.

4) "Group I (S-1 class, or "Holland" boats)..." Holland was dead for several years; these were "Elco type".

5) Group I had 2 x 600 HP engines, not 2 x 1200 HP engines. The engine company was Busch-Sulzer, not Sultzer.

6) 900 hp = 670 kW, not 670 W.

I am incorporating these corrections to the article.

Also, "The S class is subdivided into four groups of slightly different designs." Slightly? Group I had a draft of 16 ft. Group IV had a draft of 11 ft and was 55 feet longer.

Style tweaks - it isn't necessary to footnote every data item in a description to the same source page. Added a lot of convert templates.

--Rich Rostrom (Talk) 19:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

(signature added - I was logged out for time.)

--24.148.0.125 (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

For #4 on your list, I find references to the first group (S-1) being called the "Holland"-type (and cannot find them called "Elco", but some references attribute them to being made by the "Electric Boat" company), based on Holland's patents so I will revert that name change. Whether dead or alive, the designs are attributed to him. The "Lake" group apparently was in response to avoid infringing on those patents .--MartinezMD (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

R vs. S

Peru purchased 4 "R" class submarines in 1926-28; not the "S" class as the article mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.236.84.156 (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The searching I've just done seems to confirm this. I removed it from the article just now. MartinezMD (talk) 04:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

There is no S-class submarines.

According to most renown authors, such us Norman Polmar and Norman Friedman, S-boats were not a class. They were just a series rather, than class. And inside the series, there were no "groups", but classes.... Classes of completely different competing designs of submarines, just different classes AND types:

• Holland-Electric Boat design Type I: S-1 class submarines (S-1 ~ S-41)
• Holland-Electric Boat design Type II: S- 42 class submarines (S-42 ~ S-47)

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• Simone Lake TYPE I: S-2
• Simone Lake TYPE II: S-48 class submarines (S-48 ~ S-51)

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• Bureau of Construction and Repair Type: S-3 class submarines (S-3 ~ S-17)

So, according to sources, such as The American Submarines, U.S. Submarines through 1945 and Fontenoy's Submarines: An Illustrated History of Their Impact, there was not "S-class submariones", there were just S-1 class, S-42 claas, S-2 claas submarines, S-3 and S-48 class submarines, so-called "S-boats". Each class had different design, sometimes radically different, especially between Hollands-EB's boats and Lake's boats. Calling them all together as "S-class submarines" is a kind of paranoia and paradox. --Matrek (talk) 02:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd generally agree. Lenton does group them together, as much for convenience as anything, & as I understand it, the Navy treated them as a class. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 13:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)