Talk:Automatic terminal information service

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History[edit]

Hey wiki-nerds. I think the HISTORY of this system is important to the article. That is all. Add that and go back to your virginal lives. 173.50.254.64 (talk) 01:35, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Technical background[edit]

Currently the technical background section says the following:

ATIS systems can be classified as Solid-State and PC-based. Solid-State ATIS systems are microcontroller-powered devices that incorporate speech synthesis and data processing in a single piece of proprietary equipment, while PC-ATIS systems are based on COTS-Hardware, like normal rack-mounted PCs with multiple high-performance soundcards.
Many high-capacity airports employ the use of Digital ATIS (or dATIS). dATIS is a transcribed, digitally transmitted version of the ATIS audio broadcast, usually accessed from a digital display such as an EFB or an FMS. dATIS may be incorporated into the core ATIS system, or be realized as a separate system with a data interface between voice ATIS and dATIS.

This is just rubbish. You can't classify ATIS systems as solid-state or PC-based only. First off, solid-state doesn't mean that anything is micro-controller powered. This implies that all ATIS systems are digital and automated which they quite simply aren't. It's also uncited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.132.121.146 (talk) 22:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Sky Condition example[edit]

How can you have "5 SCT 12 FEW 30 OVC"? If you have SCT at 500FT then 1200FT has to be SCT, BKN, or OVC, you can't have less sky covered as observed from the ground! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnHinks (talk • contribs) 00:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Weather specific ATIS/FAA sample[edit]

It's probably trivial, but should there be a note or something (Sample; Audio [along side with the current one] or text, since the Amsterdam ATIS is broadcasting with ICAO terminology, an FAA one might also be useful, to show the differences.) about weather conditions. IE: Runway surface conditions- As it so happens, I've got across an ATIS broadcast with such information, as well as ILS approach information. Eh, whatever just a thought, I've got nothing better to do. =P Sparky-sama (talk) 06:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nature of the system[edit]

Is it still running on a tape system, or is it now also computerised? And if it is still tape based, do they still have a three minute or so delay each hour as the tape spools are changed? My only experience with ATIS is with the game Flight Unlimited II, which has a simulated ATIS system, and has a three minute delay each hour to simulate the way the actual system worked. However this game was released in 1997. Is it different now? Once again I mention that I know nothing about actual flying, I've just messed around with a flight sim or two. If you know, feel free to reply, I've got this page on my watchlist.--DooMDrat December 31, 2004 14:13 (UTC)

Generally a computerized voice is used these days, either one that has sound samples for each number and commonly used words (like when you telephone a bank, a computer will have you enter your account number and then it repeats the numbers you entered as prerecorded samples), or a completely synthethic voice. Rpvdk 12:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks!--Drat (Talk) 13:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe someone could record a soundfile of an actual transmission and provide it for the article. Having the transcription and translation updated to match that audio sample would be even better. -- Bovineone 14:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That might be somewhat confusing, because each region uses it's own format of the ATIS. It'd probably be best just to have an external link pointing to an ATIS feed, rather then citing it in the main section, maybe? Sparky-sama 11:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article already includes a sample announcement (in textual format only). Are you proposing that the sample be removed then? -- Bovineone 07:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all, perhaps I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. I think the text sample should stay. However, I’m not quite sure if you meant to put an actual pre-recorded feed into the article and change said text sample. Also I’m not quite sure about Wikipedia’s policies with direct-linking to an outside source in the main article- Not to mention that most websites prohibit direct-linking from other web-pages.Sparky-sama 11:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The dutch page on ATIS had an uploaded audio sample. I've transferred it into this article. I've left the other example in place for the hearing impaired or people with no sound on their computers. -- Rpvdk 18:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation[edit]

Could someone let me know the pronunciation of ATIS? [a-tis] or [ei-tis] or [ei-ti-ai-es], or all/some of them are used? - marsian 07:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Ay-tis' is the most common (American English) pronunciation. Some variations with international speakers of course, but it's almost never spelled out. Rpvdk 12:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Thanks Rpvdk! --marsian 15:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Automatic Terminal Information Service on the Internet[edit]

Does anyone know of a web site that makes available in real time the actual broadcasts of ATIS information? I searched and searched and have had no luck discovering one... Thanks! Dick Siano—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rsiano (talk • contribs) .

The only thing I can think of is a website that lets you listen to a tuneable radio, and set it to an ATIS frequency. I found such a site once, but can't remember where I saw it, nor the search terms I used. The one I did find was able to select aircraft frequencies.--Drat (Talk) 14:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I know phone number of ATIS Warsaw-Okecie +48 22 650 21 11 --User:Cel 84 17:25 24/08/2006 UTC+2
There is one site on the web, and although it doesn't seem to charge anything now, it does say that it will eventually cost money to use. The link is http://www.fboweb.com/fb40/s/fp/datis.aspx.

Each airport broadcasts their own ATIS report*. Get the ATIS radio frequency from the airport's webpage, or by calling the airport. Each airport provides a feed copy of the recent broadcasts to pilots for flight planning purposes, either automatically or by request. If you contact the terminal and speak to the flight operations center, they can tell you if there is a website where you can find a text version of the broadcasts. The broadcasts are at least hourly, but in rapidly changing weather conditions there may be a new broadcast every few minutes. *Airports may share reports in areas where there are airports close to each other RedDragon9 03:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Broadcasts aren't hourly. ICAO regulations say that there must be a repitition rate of somewhere around once a minute.

IFR conditions[edit]

I want to know, because of the difference between the FAA and ICAO, is there any determination in difference when an airport is in IFR mode (denying VFR aircraft?) I’ve heard the phrase “Come OK” in an ATIS transmission, do they pretty much ignore that, or do they say that the airport is in IFR mode? --Sparky-sama 08:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ICAO wise it's possible, but not really needed. All relevant weather information is in the message, so pilots know if the airport is above or below VFR limits. FAA could be different, I don't know but I think it's unlikely because most of this stuff is more or less the same all over the world (ICAO standard) -- Rpvdk 18:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ATIS voice[edit]

If the example provided of a male voice is inherently unverifiable and must be removed, then so must the preceding example of female voice be either verified or removed. 03:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I should have better worded what I said when I reverted. The example provided for the male voice was specific, and the wording suggested that Sydney airport was somehow special for having a male voice. Besides, the audio sample provided on the page is a female voice. The best bet would be to find a source regarding the use of male and/or female voices.--Drat (Talk) 11:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't tracked down any scientific studies regardin the male/female voice thing, but considering the number of female ATIS voices and my own experiences as a pilot I believe it's true. I also found an internet discussion which supports it: http://ls.kuleuven.be/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0109c&L=aware&P=16206 -- Rpvdk 12:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


System operation[edit]

Anyone think there should a be a small note, or added line stating that some high-capacity airports (I suppose those using more then 4, at a time[parallel] runways) tend to have seperate ATIS' for inbound/outbound? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparky-sama (talk • contribs) 10:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It's already there under system operation :) -- 12:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


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I'm an air traffic controller and I feel that this page could be better. I'm not sure about ICAO rules, but the FAA requirements for the ATIS can be found in publication 7110.65, Section 9. Automatic Terminal Information Services Procedures, page 2-9-1, which you should be able to find on the FAA website. Most places now have a digital recording of the ATIS, tapes are old technology. If anybody takes the time to read that and wants to update this page you will find all the information you ever wanted to know there. Andercee 00:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ICAO regulations are covered in ICAO Annex 11, Chapter 4, Section 4.3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.132.121.146 (talk) 22:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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