Talk:Blood, Sweat & Tears

Weasel words

The article is full of "reportedly" and "arguably" and other weasel-words, making claims without any support from reliable sources. It seems to rely on a lot of unsubstantiated rumors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

• The word "arguably" should be purged from Wikipedia, except in articles about weasel words. Unfortunately, it's business as usual, and Wikipedia's credibility circles the drain.

• Also, there are numerous statements implying that other similar groups simply copied early BS&T to compete with them, and that later BS&T was simply copying other groups. Utter nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.62.214 (talk) 23:04, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

More concerns about NPOV, accuracy and completeness

"During this period, another live album was recorded at The Street Scene in Los Angeles, California on October 12, 1980 (this was eventually released as Live in February 1995)." I just watched a clip of a NBC News broadcast which stated that seven attendees of this concert were stabbed, including two who were admitted to the hospital in critical condition. It was unclear whether it occurred inside or outside the venue. Regardless, it seems highly suspicious that I'm expected to believe this isn't worthy of mention and/or sources can't be found. In fact, the article as a whole reads like it was written by a publicist. Also, stuff I read 25–30 years ago isn't reflected (another result of the attitude that sourcing Wikipedia = spamming whatever you find lying around the web today and nothing more?). The first item concerned JWG's role producing the second album, that it happened due to the political battle behind the scenes between JWG and Clive Davis over the former's efforts to get Chicago recorded, JWG's desire to work more with horns so that he could get the sound right on what became Chicago Transit Authority, and how his production work on the BST album was widely criticized once released. The second item I read made a lot stronger claim of the group's lineage to The Blues Project than this article does. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 21:47, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Improvement?

This article still has multiple issues. A lot of the writing is not up to the standard I'd expect from Wikipedia. Also, there is this sentence:

"Since late 2005, the band has been back touring worldwide with a refreshed line up and, for a few years."

I have no idea what the writer wanted to express (derailed thought train?) so I figure I can't simply correct that.Jules TH 16 (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

CANADIAN-AMERICAN? REALLY??

I know this will offend a few people but having a few members from Canada in the group in later years does not make the group Canadian, sorry. This is just about as ridiculous when the band Heart called themselves Canadian, which they NEVER EVER were. But since there are bound to be arguments its best to just include FACTS ONLY and leave the POV and nationality out of the article.75.172.192.233 (talk) 06:47, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Another even better reason why this group is NOT CANADIAN. None of their recordings qualify for CANADIAN CONTENT status for radio airplay in CANADA. At least with Heart the group DID legitimately qualify for CAN-CON status for a short time early in their career (1976). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.192.233 (talk) 06:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Cast Of Millions

Wow, that's some section listing the members. Is there a list anywhere on WP of groups that have had the most people in them? I'm reminded of Andy Warhol's famous quote, "In the future, everybody will be in Blood, Sweat & Tears for 15 minutes." SteubenGlass (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I’ve always said BST is like jury duty for NY musicians… eventually, we all get the call.

I myself did 3 shows with them in 2000 but somebody decided I don’t deserve the credit or something because I was removed from this list. Was three shows not enough? Well-some people here are credited as members after only sitting in on one song. “But that was Bernard Purdie.. big difference.”

well in that case Bernard is a lifelong member of my band too because he played an entire show with us in the 90’s lol. 108.56.227.35 (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Quartet or Octet?

The article states that the group started in 1967 as an octet, then immediately contradicts this by claiming that the group started as a quartet. The octet claim formation claim is actually false and should be removed, but perhaps a better option would be to leave out the quartet part entirely. The article is way too verbose. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!! It's bizarre that such sloppy writing has remained in the article for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.213.218 (talk) 08:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

This issue now resolved. Historical evidence shows the first version of the group was a quartet but quickly expanded to octet. Re-organized article for historical continuity and deleted the inaccurate octet formation info not supported by reference.75.172.213.218 (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

!the songs... the SONGS...

The INTRO paragraphs bombard otherwise interested readers with WHAT the band was and — to a fault — WHO were some members, with not one mention of the SONGs for which the band was famous. It should be considered that while a novice reader might neither recognize nor care about the WHOs & the WHATS, they might actually & immediately connect with the mere mention of titles such as And When I Die, Spinning Wheel or You’ve Made Me So Very Happy at least.Penwatchdog (talk) 13:10, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

New Port?

Seriously? The name of the city is Newport. One word, not two. I'm unable to edit the references section for some reason (?) so I hope someone here can correct this annoying error. 2600:1700:5E48:5C10:2054:AFE2:F718:9709 (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Issue now resolved — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.103.204 (talk) 20:11, 7 October 2023 (UTC)