Talk:Suffolk/Archive 1

Archive of discussion on Wikipedia:Requested moves Request was withdraw. Carrp 13:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Suffolk → Suffolk, England

and as a consequence Suffolk (disambiguation) → Suffolk

Suffolk County, New York has a population of 1.4 million. It is twice the area and population of Suffolk, England. The capital of Massachusetts, Boston, is located in Suffolk County, Massachusetts. This county has a population of nearly 700,000. It is smaller than Suffolk, England, but has a greater population. In addition, a Google search for "Suffolk" [1] returns "Suffolk County" (New York), "Suffolk University" (Boston), and "City of Suffolk" (Virginia) as its top three matches. Carrp 23:15, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose: Suffolk County exists as a disambiguation to cope with the two examples mentioned. violet/riga (t) 23:22, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Isn't Suffolk, England also a county? The description in the article is "Suffolk (pronounced 'suffuk') is a large, low-lying county in East Anglia in eastern England". Also, in Boston, "Suffolk" is more commonly used than "Suffolk County" (which is more formal). For example, someone will usually refer to the Suffolk District Attorney or the Suffolk Jail. Carrp 23:35, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: Since Suffolk is not a shire like Oxfordshire, I think they do call it County Suffolk occasionally, and most of the American counties are "County of ______" when formally incorporated. —ExplorerCDT 23:40, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • The place in England is Suffolk, not Suffolk County. It seems to me that the places in the US are known as Suffolk County, not Suffolk, hence the acceptable use of the Suffolk County disambig. violet/riga (t) 23:58, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
      • You are correct that "Suffolk County" is the official name (at least in Massachusetts). The "County" is usually dropped during informal discussions. As for the county in England there is the Suffolk County Council here [2]. To be quite honest, I'm not going to push this issue any farther. If users are of the opinion that the Suffolk of England should exist at Suffolk without disambiguation, I will certainly accept that. Carrp 00:57, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
        • There is also Oxfordshire County Council, but there is no Oxfordshire County. This is because they are ALL called County Councils. But Suffolk is never Suffolk County. This is just not they way it is done in England. Yes I suggest you remove this request, as I believe you only did it to counter my proposal for Middlesex. Jooler 01:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
          • I did post this request in relation to your proposal for Middlesex, but I assure you it was not in response or retaliation. I was actually very interested in the Ceremonial counties of England article because I noticed almost all of the counties in my home state of Massachusetts are named after English counties (Middlesex, Essex, Suffolk, Berkshire to name a few). After reading the comments from this proposal, I have come to the conclusion that Suffolk County probably is the best disambiguation page. However, I still oppose the Middlesex proposed change. Carrp 01:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Support...Consistency. —ExplorerCDT 23:30, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Then you should actually oppose, as virtually all the counties of England do not have ", England" as part of the title (Administrative counties of England). violet/riga (t) 00:02, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Wouldn't Suffolk (England) or Suffolk (UK) be preferable anyway (given naming conventions) (not that I wouldn't oppose that move too). Guettarda 00:14, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose Entirely unnecessary. jguk 23:44, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Are we still talking about cricket? I find myself having an Arthur Dent moment...where Slartibartfast shows him the history of Krikkit and he is thinking of Paul McCartney buying half of England. Where was I? Oh, yeah Oppose. Guettarda 23:54, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Naturally. Jooler 00:13, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Philip Baird Shearer 13:17, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)