Talk:War (U2 album)

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Redirect[edit]

Shouldn't Sunday Bloody Sunday (song) redirect here? Jwrosenzweig 06:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's a page for it now. --Kristbg 05:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cover Art[edit]

I think there should be a section about the cover art, or at least the name of the model, since this cover has become iconic. Unfortunatly I don't know any of this information but rather was actually looking for it.

Better late than never... his name is Peter Rowan. Hoof Hearted 21:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Rowen is the name - "Rowan" is a common misconception. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.141.217 (talk) 06:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal[edit]

A song from this album have been tagged for merging here. These articles fail WP:MUSIC:

Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album.

If this song has charted, received any awards, been featured in major films or TV shows or anything else that makes them notable according to WP:MUSIC, please update this article (with references) and remove the {{tl:mergeto}} tag. Otherwise, please merge it into this article for the album.

Could you please list the songs from this album that you would like to see merged? MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Drowning Man (song) --Rtphokie (talk) 17:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am currently cleaning-up/re-writing the album in an attempt to get it to GA. I've merged "Like A Song..." and will merge "Drowning Man" shortly. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merged. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

U2 (War) Reissues[edit]

It looks like June 10 (not May 20) for the first two, then June 24 (not May 20 and unknown) for the next two. Please provide comment other than "Amazon has known to be wrong," which I know. Fantailfan (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More to the point, I pre-ordered the first 3 on February 12th. On March 8 2008 I received an email from amazon requesting that I reconfirm the order since the release date had change. "Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below has changed, and we need to provide you with a new delivery estimate based on the new release date:"Fantailfan (talk) 02:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I originally removed the statement because at this point, a reissue is still speculation. You provided Amazon as a link, but it's hardly a reliable reference. I've lost count of the number of times that Amazon has had an item up, only for the release date to be changed or the product removed entirely. My thinking is that until the band, the record label, or another reliable source actually announces a plan to re-release a remastered edition of War (along with Boy and October), then it is nothing more than original research. MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Reliable Sourcing is the problem. I have looked in vain for an official or link to an official announcement (on blogs/fansites(non-RS), U2.com(RS), etc.). My information came from Steve Hoffman Music Forums to Pause & Play's On The CD Front to Amazon. I ordered, as I said, on Feb 12th. Preorders involve no financial commitment on anyone's part but have an effect on Amazon's credibility, especially when it comes to super-mega-acts like U2. When The Feelies' Crazy Rhythms re-release was available for preorder from Amazon and later pulled, it was because of a legal matter—the label allegedly didn't have the right to re-issue the product—but the "cred impact" was minimal. However, given the recent Moby Grape and The Song Remains the Same (film) audio/video re-release fiascoes (both were pulled because of legal issues) I hope that Amazon, as the most visible online retailer, are more circumspect. "Hope," however, is not a Reliable Source.
I do not know how information on the The Joshua Tree re-releases made their way from a reliable source to here (though I suppose I could look). --Fantailfan (talk) 12:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When the Joshua Tree re-release was first mentioned, I believe that it was included in the article because there was source that contained a statement made by Universal Austria (please correct me if I am remembering incorrectly). There was additional confirmation a little while later from u2.com. I see that you've commented the information out for now in this article; should it be commented out in the Boy and October mentions too? I would also like to hear some input from Merbabu and Dream out Loud on this. MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Boy re-release is mentioned at u2star.com, which sources undercover.com. It does not source back further. --Fantailfan (talk) 16:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If a statement from the band, its management or its record company can be found in a reputable source, then they can be put in. It doesn’t have to be U2.com but second hand from a reliable source. Clearly though, there are problems sourcing it from a retail outlet (ie, Amazon) when no-one else has heard about it. --Merbabu (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone's heard of it and there are even catalog numbers (see All Music Guide, CD Universe and HMV Japan) but there are no official statements. Even the Boy details are copied verbatim from a single source with no apparent original source. Argh. Fantailfan (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Has there been any mention made by Rolling Stone, Hot Press, etc? Both would qualify as reliable sources, and I seem to remember that Rolling Stone had a one-or-two sentence mention about the Joshua Tree a couple of weeks before it was officially announced. It's possible that a similar mention has been made for Boy/October/War that may have been missed. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: I found a mention in Rolling Stone about the band remastering more albums, but it only talks about Boy (the mention was one of those "News Tickers"). I've added that information to the Boy page. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surrender has never been released as a single[edit]

"Surrender" was never released as a single in any way shape or form. I would like to know where you actually got this so-called

Billboard information. AOR radio may have had it chart on playlists, but as a single, it never happpened—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.189.244 (talk) 04:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... I'm not sure where this information came from, but I'll look for some sources. It's possible that it was released in only a small demographic in a similar manner to "40", but I can't remember seeing it mentioned as a single anywhere before. What may have happened is that, since it apparently charted, somebody may have added it to that location because they were simply unsure where else to put it. I'll do a quick edit now. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've done some searches, but the Billboard records I found only went back to 1984. I'll keep looking, and if anybody else finds anything just drop a line here. MelicansMatkin (talk) 23:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Song information[edit]

Several months ago, I began to add information about each song to the article in a similar way to the information on Stay (Faraway, So Close!). Later, somebody moved some of the information around. It's only an aesthetic detail, but I'm curious as to where you all think the information is best placed; under Tracklisting, which is where it was previously, or under History, which is where it is currently. MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:U2 Sunday Bloody Sunday.ogg[edit]

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Info[edit]

Might be some worthwhile information working from here. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually a copy of the original BBC interview. I've stuck in the bit about the Coconuts being backing vocalists; I didn't realise it was the Coconuts, of Kid Creole fame. It's a terrible shame that they never went on tour together. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On Cassette[edit]

I think it is historically important to point out that U2 did something not very common at the time, which was to release their albums on cassette tapes that contained the complete album on each side. This was something more expensive for them to do, but such tapes were more desirable by fans because of the lack of blank space at the end of one side that most albums on cassette tape had.Patsobest (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What makes you say it was not very common? Have you got a reliable source that backs up that claim? If so, it should be used in article rather than just providing a statement that the full album was on both sides without any context of if or why that is important. --JD554 (talk) 11:22, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
reference photo for cassette version. Millions of people bought this cassette tape.
In 1983, the compact cassette was how people were able to have portable music, because the other option was records. Records had two sides, and mostly those two sides were translated onto the cassette versions, even though cassette tapes were not limited to 30 minutes per side like records were.
Records were a drag because you had to flip them over in the middle of the album, and consequently that was the case with most cassette tapes too.
Having a tape with the full album on each side was a desirable good thing because a) you could listen to the whole album without having to flip anything over, and b) if you had an auto-reverse cassette player, then you could listen to continuous music without having the annoying gap at the end of one side. It was something that made an album more user friendly and more likable. It was part of U2's greatness.Patsobest (talk) 23:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
True, but again; do you have a reliable source to verify this? We need a source that explicitly discusses this before we can mention it in the article. Melicans (talk, contributions) 02:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the history lesson Patsobest, but I'm well aware of how music was bought in 1983 having done so myself. As MelicansMatkin says, where are your reliable sources to which say this was unusual for the time? --JD554 (talk) 06:59, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bono Did More Than Wave Flags![edit]

The section than is focused on the War Tour makes it sound as though all Bono did was wave white flags. This is surely a misconception and it makes it sounds as if there was tension in the band about that. I think this should be clarified. Maybe it would look better if it said "The waving of a white flag has become iconic not only with the song "Sunday Bloody Sunday", but also with the War Tour, which spawned both the hit and the video".

Thanks. I would change it but I don't know enough about the editing procedures to do it properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beanna (talk • contribs) 21:38, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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